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Date: 21 Apr 2008 01:01:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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Please analyze the Best game between Zebediah & Advance Level.
Advance level was ahead of a Rook but later Zebediah took back the
Rook and was able to win the Game in just 23 moves.
Advance is the Highest Level. So it is the Best GetClub Chess can ever
play.
Can you spot any weakness in this Game?
Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com
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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19498&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)
1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} c7-c5{2418}
3. Ng1-f3{25518} c5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{6} Ng8-f6{1652}
5. Nb1-c3{236} Bf8-b4{2128}
6. e4-e5{18} Bb4-c3{3308}
7. b2-c3{420} Qd8-c7{1298}
8. e5-f6{138} Qc7-c3{2516}
9. Qd1-d2{3878} Qc3-a1{0}
10. f6-g7{6} Rh8-g8{1390}
11. c2-c3{68} Qa1-b1{1802}
12. Bf1-d3{396} Qb1-b6{1644}
13. Qd2-h6{8} Qb6-c5{1642}
14. Ke1-g1{14} Qc5-e5{1556}
15. Bd3-h7{2614} Rg8-g7{1506}
16. f2-f4{414} Rg7-h7{1658}
17. Qh6-h7{2948} Qe5-c5{3162}
18. f4-f5{654} f7-f6{2306}
19. f5-e6{388} d7-e6{1876}
20. Rf1-f6{16} Ke8-d8{1578}
21. Bc1-g5{64} Bc8-d7{1568}
22. Rf6-f5{1042} Kd8-c7{2780}
23. Rf5-c5{4790} Kc7-b6{0}
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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19498&game=Chess
Was the Sacrifice of Took Correct by Zebediah?
Is there any move wrongly played by Advance Level?
Advance level thinks 20-40 min / Move. So the games are usually the
best that GetClub Chess can ever play. Still Zebediah the best player
at GetClub Managed to win the game.
Was the game won because of any weakness in GetClub engine?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Apr 2008 01:47:33
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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> =A0 Yes, well... that computer-operator dude, Zeb,
> has already taken down the Advance level twice,
> while I'm still playing the very same game as when
> he was beating the Master level, over and over.
Congratulation you got +40 points by just winning a single game. Worth
8 Games against Beginner Level. as you only get +5 on winning the
Beginner Level.
Zebediah again win a Game against Advance Level.
He win in just 32 moves earlier he won in just 23 moves.
Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com
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zebediah: (Black)
advance: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19615&game=3D=
Chess
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White -- Black
(advance) -- (zebediah)
1. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{12}
2. c2-c4{0} g7-g6{4}
3. Nb1-c3{0} c7-c5{106}
4. d4-c5{2296} Bf8-g7{96}
5. e2-e4{1974} Qd8-a5{4372}
6. Bf1-d3{1834} Qa5-c5{78}
7. Bc1-e3{1340} Qc5-a5{14}
8. Ng1-f3{1416} Ke8-g8{894}
9. Ke1-g1{2674} d7-d6{22}
10. Nc3-d5{1468} Nf6-d5{2508}
11. c4-d5{2204} Bc8-g4{2550}
12. Qd1-b3{1652} Nb8-d7{52}
13. Nf3-g5{2496} Nd7-e5{4902}
14. f2-f3{1606} Ne5-d3{244}
15. Qb3-d3{1870} Bg4-d7{1126}
16. Rf1-d1{2058} Ra8-c8{1038}
17. g2-g3{1742} h7-h6{242}
18. b2-b4{1854} Qa5-a4{52}
19. Ra1-c1{1758} Qa4-a2{32}
20. Be3-f4{1738} h6-g5{1344}
21. Bf4-g5{1284} Bd7-h3{64}
22. Bg5-d2{2312} f7-f5{300}
23. Rc1-c8{2810} Rf8-c8{6}
24. Qd3-e2{2178} Bg7-d4{80}
25. Kg1-h1{1360} f5-e4{54}
26. f3-e4{1732} Rc8-f8{236}
27. Qe2-d3{2506} Bd4-b6{864}
28. e4-e5{1766} Bh3-f5{366}
29. Qd3-f3{2100} Bf5-g4{530}
30. Qf3-g2{2026} Rf8-f2{74}
31. Qg2-f2{1344} Bb6-f2{4540}
32. Kh1-g2{1872}
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zebediah: (Black)
advance: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM19615&game=3D=
Chess
In this game Zebediah managed to pin the Rook & Pawn with Bishop and
the by GetClubs mistake Advance levels knight got trapped.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Apr 2008 14:24:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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On Apr 22, 1:53 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I once saw a USCF master get killed in this
> > very same line, but he had the White side and
> > his attack on the dark squares was botched
> > horribly.
>
> Yes this line is very dangerous. What is the Correct sequence of move.
> And which was the wrong move by Advance Level?
One fellow who played this bought an openings book
written by a grandmaster, which he said advised avoiding
this ultra-sharp line and instead transposing into the
backward-pawn line where White goes: Nb5 d6, Bg5 a6,
Bxf6 gxf6, Na3.
The losing move in this game was, perhaps, 7. ...Qc7.
(But capturing early on c3 with the Bishop was not
advisable.)
> > I wonder why Zeb keeps giving the stronger
> > program White? Maybe he lacks the patience
> > for a week-long game.
>
> What about the game you started wirh Advance Level?
>
> Who is winning. Have you managed to get equality with Advance Level or
> any of your pieces have gone by the Big Triumph.
The program only moves about once an hour, so
It's dragging on. My "attack" failed, except that I
managed to get a lot of pieces traded and am now
in a relatively simple ending, with passed pawns
galore. No way can they *all* be stopped, unless
I blunder again. I messed up and allowed my
connected passed pawns to get separated by
some strange combination I did not foresee.
> You need not worry as you will just loose +2 points if you lost the
> game and earn +40 points if you manage to win the game.
Yes, well... that computer-operator dude, Zeb,
has already taken down the Advance level twice,
while I'm still playing the very same game as when
he was beating the Master level, over and over.
-- help bot
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 23:45:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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On Apr 21, 11:25=A0pm, jekewi <[email protected] > wrote:
> First, Zebediah was never down an entire rook. =A0He was down an exchange
> with the black queen out of play and black's king-side being blasted
> apart.
>
> 15...Qe5-g7 instead of Rb8-g7 would have returned the exchange without
> letting black's queen get as misplaced as it did. =A0Black would have
> still been in trouble, but would have had more of a chance to finally
> mobilize its queen-side.
>
> I don't play the French or Sicilian, but giving white doubled and
> isolated c-pawns looked plausible. =A0Accepting a shattered position for
> an exchange looked questionable.
>
> --
> jekewi
According to Help Bot, There was a mistake in the Opening itself. And
Zebediah played move that was from Opening Book While GetClub Missed
the correct move in Opening.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 22:53:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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> =A0 I once saw a USCF master get killed in this
> very same line, but he had the White side and
> his attack on the dark squares was botched
> horribly.
Yes this line is very dangerous. What is the Correct sequence of move.
And which was the wrong move by Advance Level?
> =A0 I wonder why Zeb keeps giving the stronger
> program White? =A0Maybe he lacks the patience
> for a week-long game.
What about the game you started wirh Advance Level?
Who is winning. Have you managed to get equality with Advance Level or
any of your pieces have gone by the Big Triumph.
You need not worry as you will just loose +2 points if you lost the
game and earn +40 points if you manage to win the game.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 19:56:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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On Apr 21, 4:01 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Please analyze the Best game between Zebediah & Advance Level.
>
> Advance level was ahead of a Rook but later Zebediah took back the
> Rook and was able to win the Game in just 23 moves.
>
> Advance is the Highest Level. So it is the Best GetClub Chess can ever
> play.
>
> Can you spot any weakness in this Game?
>
> Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> zebediah: (White)
> advance: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19498&game=Chess
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (zebediah) -- (advance)
>
> 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0}
> 2. d2-d4{4} c7-c5{2418}
> 3. Ng1-f3{25518} c5-d4{0}
> 4. Nf3-d4{6} Ng8-f6{1652}
> 5. Nb1-c3{236} Bf8-b4{2128}
> 6. e4-e5{18} Bb4-c3{3308}
> 7. b2-c3{420} Qd8-c7{1298}
> 8. e5-f6{138} Qc7-c3{2516}
> 9. Qd1-d2{3878} Qc3-a1{0}
> 10. f6-g7{6} Rh8-g8{1390}
> 11. c2-c3{68} Qa1-b1{1802}
> 12. Bf1-d3{396} Qb1-b6{1644}
> 13. Qd2-h6{8} Qb6-c5{1642}
> 14. Ke1-g1{14} Qc5-e5{1556}
> 15. Bd3-h7{2614} Rg8-g7{1506}
> 16. f2-f4{414} Rg7-h7{1658}
> 17. Qh6-h7{2948} Qe5-c5{3162}
> 18. f4-f5{654} f7-f6{2306}
> 19. f5-e6{388} d7-e6{1876}
> 20. Rf1-f6{16} Ke8-d8{1578}
> 21. Bc1-g5{64} Bc8-d7{1568}
> 22. Rf6-f5{1042} Kd8-c7{2780}
> 23. Rf5-c5{4790} Kc7-b6{0}
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> zebediah: (White)
> advance: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19498&game=Chess
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> Was the Sacrifice of Took Correct by Zebediah?
>
> Is there any move wrongly played by Advance Level?
>
> Advance level thinks 20-40 min / Move. So the games are usually the
> best that GetClub Chess can ever play. Still Zebediah the best player
> at GetClub Managed to win the game.
>
> Was the game won because of any weakness in GetClub engine?
This is all openings "book" stuff, Sanny.
Most of the top commercial programs have a
big database of book moves they play by rote,
to avoid falling into any nasty traps, as in this
game. You definitely seem to be having some
trouble with this other program (operated by
Zebediah). I wouldn't worry too much over it.
I once saw a USCF master get killed in this
very same line, but he had the White side and
his attack on the dark squares was botched
horribly.
I wonder why Zeb keeps giving the stronger
program White? Maybe he lacks the patience
for a week-long game.
-- help bot
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Date: 21 Apr 2008 19:25:54
From: jekewi
Subject: Re: Please Analyze the Advance Level best Game
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First, Zebediah was never down an entire rook. He was down an exchang
with the black queen out of play and black's king-side being blaste
apart.
15...Qe5-g7 instead of Rb8-g7 would have returned the exchange withou
letting black's queen get as misplaced as it did. Black would hav
still been in trouble, but would have had more of a chance to finall
mobilize its queen-side.
I don't play the French or Sicilian, but giving white doubled an
isolated c-pawns looked plausible. Accepting a shattered position fo
an exchange looked questionable
--
jekewi
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