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Date: 17 Oct 2006 05:00:22
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white here: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 04:01:30
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ron wrote: > In article <[email protected]>, > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'll have to go over the game again, but during the game I recall I had a > > sacrifice or other plan clearly worked out in the event he tried to lock up > > the board. > > Well, let us know when you find it. > > -Ron All that 'worked out' in 1-minute chess.... Kramnik played the wrong guy, apparently.
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 03:59:42
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white > here: > > > > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. > Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. > Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 > 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 > > 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. > Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. > Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0 a) no middlegame to speak of - minor pieces and queens went off faster than a french whore's bustier.... b) no endgame technique to speak of - black simply blundered into a lost endgame and gave up. Therefore, Ray, this game is a poor example of chess skill at any level. Post a slow Time control game and let us see how you do - G60 at least. And, it should be against a real player rated at least 200 points above your current standard rating so we can see how well you react to adversity. That's the only way to improve, Ray. This is simply hay and horseshit mixed in with a little bit of corn feed...
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Date: 21 Oct 2006 01:01:18
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > > Often when my opponent (this one was 1700 or so) plays weak in the opening, > I lose respect for him so it's possible I overlooked something. What a coincidence! We lost all respect for you as soon as you opened up your big, fat, know-it-all mouth with YOUR weak posts. Weird, huh? (BTW, Gordo's opponent couldn't have been more than 1100, just about 400 points below Gordo's online rating.)
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 05:08:14
From: Sanny
Subject: I lost to Beginner Level.
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white > here: > I Played a game with Beginner Level at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html I was 2 pawns up but Beginner Level took back my pawn and In the end it Check Mated me. Here is the recorded game http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM4234&game=Chess 1.e4 e5 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 e4 4.Be2 Bb4 5. c3 B-e4 6. e4 Q-d1........ I am not typing the Complete game as you can replay it here. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM4234&game=Chess Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 23:03:09
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > > You may be a good chessplayer, Ray, I don't know. But this isn't a game > > I'd brag about. > > I'm not of the belief that any human is that good at chess. > > I'm sure if I had more than 30 seconds to play the middlegame, I might have > seen more. Don't bother, Ron. See, this is what Gordo does. There's no boast too big that he can't sidestep with an excuse and a shrug. It's part of his charm.
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 00:44:43
From: Ron
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. > Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. > Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 > 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 > > 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. > Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. > Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0 Do you really think this game is in any way impressive, Ray? Your opponent gives himself doubled pawns (it's not like it's something you forced). He then gets himself in a position where your bishop is weak, and his knight has lots of juicy dark squares to exploit ... and promptly lets you trade them off. This moronic move on his part wins you a pawn, but he makes no attempt to keep rooks on the board. You may be a good chessplayer, Ray, I don't know. But this isn't a game I'd brag about. -Ron
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 23:39:12
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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> You may be a good chessplayer, Ray, I don't know. But this isn't a game > I'd brag about. I'm not of the belief that any human is that good at chess. I'm sure if I had more than 30 seconds to play the middlegame, I might have seen more. -- Money is not "game." Looks are not "game." Social status or value is not "game." Those are the things that game makes unnecessary. A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 18:10:56
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon <[email protected] > wrote: > I'm sure if I had more than 30 seconds to play the middlegame, I > might have seen more. So now you're saying that this game doesn't, in fact, show that you can play the middlegame or endgame. *shrugs* Dave. -- David Richerby Dangerous Cyber-Sushi (TM): it's www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a raw fish that exists only in your computer but it could explode at any minute!
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 00:51:26
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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En/na Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" ha escrit: > To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white > here: > > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. > Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. > Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 > 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 > > 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. > Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. > Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0 If that game is played at control time slower than "1 minute chess" and it's your best achievement, you seem to be very weak in endgames. First, you play with very weak players and that can be an approach of your strengh bacause only weak players usually play with weak players and superGM usually play with superGM. Second, you missed some very easy tactical shots like 15.Nd5 (A simple "double attack" to e7 and b6). When in a game we see that kind of mistakes I ask me how anyone can show it as a good achievement. Third, I have seen a bishop in b5 with no options to move. Just have a look after 23th white move. Next black move was not only a tactical mistake losing a pawn but also a gift for the owner of that bishop. ----------- As you have posted a game of you, I will post here the reference of a ending commented in Spanish by me past year. http://www.inforchess.com/estudios/finales/FinalesdeTorre1.htm In my humble opinion that game was a big personal achievement in endgame play but sure that a GM can see it as "easy" and has more difficult examples in his praxis. I can add I think I never will reach GM level. I hope you will find something interesting in it, and, of course, any constructive critic will be wellcome. AT
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 19:58:40
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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> If that game is played at control time slower than "1 minute chess" It wasn't. It was a one-minute game. Both players have the disadvantage of not seeing everything. As for the bishop, Black would have had to sacrifice the exchange to remove it, or die with his doubled pawns otherwise once the bishop moved with the rook behind it. -- Money is not "game." Looks are not "game." Social status or value is not "game." Those are the things that game makes unnecessary. A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 00:49:32
From: Ron
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > As for the bishop, Black would have had to sacrifice the exchange to remove > it, or die with his doubled pawns otherwise once the bishop moved with the > rook behind it. Nonsense. Where, exactly, was the bishop going to move? You might notice that it, in fact, doesn't have any squares it can go to. The doubled pawn is, in fact, weak, but only if you can attack it with your rook - and unless he gifts you a way to get your bishop out of the way, you never will. If he decides to move his N and K to allow you to play Bf8, then c4 hangs. He's happy to trade his weak b6 pawn for your c4 one. None of this is particularly complex. -Ron
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 23:37:35
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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>> As for the bishop, Black would have had to sacrifice the exchange to >> remove >> it, or die with his doubled pawns otherwise once the bishop moved with >> the >> rook behind it. > > Nonsense. Like Topalov's 24...f6 in game 10, hanging an exchange to a knight fork in a world title match? > Where, exactly, was the bishop going to move? > > You might notice that it, in fact, doesn't have any squares it can go > to. The doubled pawn is, in fact, weak, but only if you can attack it > with your rook - and unless he gifts you a way to get your bishop out of > the way, you never will. There's a way. > If he decides to move his N and K to allow you to play Bf8, then c4 > hangs. He's happy to trade his weak b6 pawn for your c4 one. That does not help. > None of this is particularly complex. Apparently, it is to some. -- Money is not "game." Looks are not "game." Social status or value is not "game." Those are the things that game makes unnecessary. A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 17:23:14
From: Ron
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > > You might notice that it, in fact, doesn't have any squares it can go > > to. The doubled pawn is, in fact, weak, but only if you can attack it > > with your rook - and unless he gifts you a way to get your bishop out of > > the way, you never will. > > There's a way. Please explain. He either leaves his King on g7 or his N on f6, while the other exploits your weak dark squares. Your bishop has no safe squares. The only way you can create one is to push your a- or c-pawn, which, of course, lets him trade off his weak doubled pawn. -Ron
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 16:23:02
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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>> > You might notice that it, in fact, doesn't have any squares it can go >> > to. The doubled pawn is, in fact, weak, but only if you can attack it >> > with your rook - and unless he gifts you a way to get your bishop out >> > of >> > the way, you never will. >> >> There's a way. > > Please explain. > > He either leaves his King on g7 or his N on f6, while the other exploits > your weak dark squares. Your bishop has no safe squares. The only way > you can create one is to push your a- or c-pawn, which, of course, lets > him trade off his weak doubled pawn. I'll have to go over the game again, but during the game I recall I had a sacrifice or other plan clearly worked out in the event he tried to lock up the board. Often when my opponent (this one was 1700 or so) plays weak in the opening, I lose respect for him so it's possible I overlooked something. -- Money is not "game." Looks are not "game." Social status or value is not "game." Those are the things that game makes unnecessary. A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 10:11:28
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\" <[email protected] > wrote: > I'll have to go over the game again, but during the game I recall I > had a sacrifice or other plan clearly worked out in the event he > tried to lock up the board. I doubt you had anything `clearly worked out' in a one-minute game. > Often when my opponent (this one was 1700 or so) plays weak in the > opening, I lose respect for him so it's possible I overlooked > something. What a convenient excuse. Dave. -- David Richerby Adult Tool (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ screwdriver that you won't want the children to see!
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 07:19:29
From: Ron
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > I'll have to go over the game again, but during the game I recall I had a > sacrifice or other plan clearly worked out in the event he tried to lock up > the board. Well, let us know when you find it. -Ron
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 22:57:45
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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En/na Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" ha escrit: >>>There's a way. >> >>Please explain. >> > I'll have to go over the game again, but during the game I recall I had a > sacrifice or other plan clearly worked out in the event he tried to lock up > the board. > > Often when my opponent (this one was 1700 or so) plays weak in the opening, > I lose respect for him so it's possible I overlooked something. I understand that, sometimes I read some post about someone writing here in RGCA "there is a way" but with no more explanations, ... and I lose respect for him. I asume many people here can lose respect for him too. AT
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 23:55:16
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white > here: > > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. > Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. > Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 > 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 > > 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. > Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. > Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0 You mean you are able to spot obvious blunders even during 1 minute chess? I assume it was, otherwise you were just playing someone pretty weak, but more likely the person just committed those blunders that are so typical of 1 minute chess. If you base your estimates about improving on this kind of game, then you are even more deluded than I already thought. Really, I hope we'll all get to hear the details when you play your first tournament at a time control >1h per game when you'll have to realise that on long time controls even 1600s play better than that.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 13:16:31
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > Aww, he's JEALOUS! LMAO!! PS. I see you conveniently sidestepped my earlier question. Ol' Gordo....so predictable.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 02:20:41
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote: > To anyone who thinks I can't play the middlegame or endgame, I had white > here: > > > > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Bd7 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. > Be2 Nf6 9. O-O O-O 10. f3 Ne8 11. Qd2 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. > Qxb6 axb6 15. a3 Be6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. cxd5 Nf6 18. Rac1 Rac8 19. Bb5 Rfd8 > 20. Rc3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Rc8 22. c4 Rc7 23. a4 Nd7 24. Bxd7 Rxd7 25. Rb1 Rc7 > > 26. Rxb6 Kg7 27. a5 Kf6 28. Kf2 Ke5 29. Ke3 g5 30. Rb4 f5 31. Ra4 f4+ 32. > Kd3 h5 33. a6 bxa6 34. Rxa6 e6 35. dxe6 Kxe6 36. Kd4 Rg7 37. c5 Rd7 38. > Rxd6+ Rxd6+ 39. cxd6 Kxd6 40. e5+ Ke6 41. Ke4 h4 42. h3 {Black resigns} 1-0 The complete lack of a date, tournament, opponents name & ratings is very telling. Anyone can rattle off arbitrary gamescores. I'll bet that's what Gordo did here. What vague source he used is still open for debate. The following means the exact same thing as Gordo's post above: "To anyone who thinks I can't play the opening, I had black here: "1. f4 e5 2. g4? Qh4#!! "See how good I am?! Look at me! Look at me! I'm an attention whore! Look at me! "Now you guys stop saying I can't play because I just showed you my game. And don't say I didn't because I can tell you what book--- "Nevermind. Look at me!"
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 14:11:32
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: One of my games (strong middlegame/endgame)
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Aww, he's JEALOUS! What's his rating again? -- Money is not "game." Looks are not "game." Social status or value is not "game." Those are the things that game makes unnecessary. A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to get women and laughs that "loser AFCs pay my rent."
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