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Date: 05 Sep 2005 00:18:57
From: wwwmoteris
Subject: Old good Vienna
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Hi all,
I invite you to help in analyzing one line in Vienna game
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. d3 d6 5. f4 exf4
6. Bxf4 Re7 7. Nf3 0-0 8. O-O Na5 9. Bb3 Nxb3 10. axb3 Re8
In my opinion it isn't the best... Rook on f8 could be useful, as White
has half open f-file. Also, in some lines e8 is good for Nf6 to
re-dislocate...
11. Qd2 c5
That is a move I'm interested. At first, it looks bad in strategic
sense ("bad" d6 pawn), but after all, it seams it has some hidden
features - the d6 could be moved forward and its problem "solves"
12. h3 b6 13. Vf2
Trying to press on f7 - to use absence of Rook at f8...
What else is possible?!
13. ... Bb7
Say b6, say Bb7! {13. ... Be6, but what Re8 is doing then?}
14. Nd1
Redislocating its Knight to e3 - to bring into attack of King wing.
Alternatives are 14. Bh2, 14. Be3, 14. Bd2 or even 14. g4
Are some ideas about them?
14. ... d5
Trying to "cure" bad d pawn...
As alternatives it could be 14. ... h6 or 14. ... a6. What else?
Which is better?
15. e5
Taking d pawn doesn't give any advantage - let's keep a tension.
15. ... Nd7
15. ... Nh5 is bad for 16. Bh2. Really?
16. Qg3
Or 16. Nf5... Any ideas?
Further it could go as
16. ... f6 (are here alternatives?) 17. Nf5 fxe5
18. Nh6+ (18. Nxe5; 18. R:e5) Kf8 19. Nxe5
Now, it seems White is slightly better (+==) but the position is very
unclear to me. And I'm not sure for possible sidelines to that line.
Regards....
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 03:27:06
From: wwwmoteris
Subject: Re: Old good Vienna
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Tnx bellatori,
It's interesting thoughts... I'm trying to explain my view on the
subject.
1. Yep, 4. ... d6 isn't most very attractive to GMs, but I'm not a GM
:-) At first, we need to know, how to play not only against strongest
moves. At second, as I play Vienna, that or similar positions arise
somewhere in 15-20% of my games - so it could explain my interest in
them. I found that even 2400+ players use d6 in Vienna, as example
A.Stein at this year (2005).
2.Yep, 6...Re7 is a typo for Be7 - I transcribe from my native
notation - and this move "skipped" my fingers.
3. 8...Na5, maybe, yes... But it's very common in my level, too.
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And last, I've got interested in all these ines and I think common
analysis could help for better understanding of nature of opening.
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So, as looking again and again to that line:
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. d3 d6 5. f4 exf4 6. Bxf4 Be7 7. Nf3
0-0 8. O-O Na5
9. Bb3 Nxb3 10. axb3 Re8 11. Qd2 c5 12. h3 b6 13. Vf2 Bb7 14. Nd1 d5
15. e5 Nd7
16. Ne3
Now I think, 16. ... f6?! is not good for Black.
So I started to look into Black move 16. ... d4 17. Nf5 and then 17.
... Nf8 with idea of Ng6 or Ne6.
There White could select among moves:
18. Nd6, 18. Nd2, 18. g4, 18. Bh2, 18. Bd2, 18. Rae1
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 15:07:57
From: bellatori
Subject: Re: Old good Vienna
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The problem with your analysis is 4...d6 This is not a terribly good option
for Black and is low on the popularity stakes amongst strong players. The
most popular move is Bb4 with Bc5 and Na5 all being played by the 2600+
brigade. I presume 6...Re7 is a typo for Be7?!
8...Na5 doesn't look too good either from a results point of view. Be6
seems to score better. The problem with this sort of analysis is that it
is not terribly productive. Once you choose a week line you have to assume
that your opponent will go for the best move. In this line it seems to me
that Black has to make a series of poor choices to get you where you are.
And that is just to move 9!!
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 02:43:49
From: wwwmoteris
Subject: Re: Old good Vienna
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Sorry, i "ate" one move:
Correction:
16. Ne3 f6 (are there alternatives?)
and then further the same
17. Qg3
Or 17. Nf5... Any ideas?
Further it could go as
17. ... Bf6 18. Nf5 fxe5
19. Nh6+ (19. Nxe5; 19. R:e5) Kf8 20. Nxe5
And maybe White are winning even
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