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Date: 25 Aug 2007 08:03:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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Today 2 errors were removed which make GetClub Chess much better than it was ever back. Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html The two strange errors were removed which were causing it to play weaker moves. Now, It will play best moves without errors. However it will take a little longer on some moves which needs more analysis. While it will play very fast in most of the cases. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 15:06:10
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 26, 3:01 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "help bot" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > On Aug 26, 9:18 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The punishment should fit the crime. > > > I just happen to have a book here on the Latvian > > Gambit, so I thought, what the heck? I'll try it out > > against some really weak player and see what > > happens. The problem arises when I am just > > following along the authors' analysis, and take their > > enthusiastic use of exclamation points to mean > > that White has serious trouble gaining any edge > > versus his favorite move (5. ...Qf7!). > > White has 3 choices at move 3. I just tried two of them last week, with some > advantage, which line is this? > > Essentially there is [3] Bc4, Nxe5 and ef. I tried the first two. > > Seems to me the only way to play the 'Latvian' is the deferred means of > playing it against the Ruy, [Schliemann] either directly or after a6, [the > deferred] which has a certain preference. > > Phil > > > Unfortunately, > > despite being completely unfamiliar with this > > opening, I can recognize a lost position when I see > > it, and see it I did once my low-rated opponent > > varied from the authors' horrible analysis! > > > Holy cow! THIS is the sort of position which the > > authors, presumably experts on this opening, had > > in mind as worthy of exclams? It's obviously lost, > > and I found the same thing happening when I tried > > to wing it with GM Kortchnoi's book on the King's > > Gambit. All I can say is that these guys must be > > connected, for their analysis is horrible, and no > > self-respecting publisher should kill any more trees > > on their account. For god sakes, save the trees > > for toothpicks, firewood, or anything else but this. > > > One of these guys has a GM title, and his co- > > author has an IM title, while the other two co-authors > > have nothing but their swagger sticks, but it seems > > to make no difference, as the analysis is just cr*p! > > My Fritz 5.32 could do a better job, given sufficient > > time and some help from say, Chess Assistant 0.9 > > or Chessbase, free trial edition. I used to make fun > > of Eric Schiller for cranking out "books" in a day or > > two, but he had merely *perfected* the art. These > > other guys are no better. > > > -- help bot Being Phil's hapless victim playing a "Latvian". I must say the experience left me ill!
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 09:22:51
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 26, 9:18 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > > All of these players have the low starting ratings, so > > I decided to "experiment" with some oddball openings, > > like the Latvian Gambit (hell if I'll ever do that again!) > > ROFL! THAT'S why /he/ is is playing that! > he doesn't like it either. > > Sanny should sign-himself up at chessworld and enter his offspring, though I > don't know if that is legal. At least it will avert what Ken Sloan rightly > says is illegal, by ignoring its own clock - since it takes all day to move > anyway, correspondance chess might be just the ticket for Sanny-bot, and > Sanny can get to wait for the machine to make its move <ggg> which imo, > seems like the fastest way to fix it. The punishment should fit the crime. I just happen to have a book here on the Latvian Gambit, so I thought, what the heck? I'll try it out against some really weak player and see what happens. The problem arises when I am just following along the authors' analysis, and take their enthusiastic use of exclamation points to mean that White has serious trouble gaining any edge versus his favorite move (5. ...Qf7!). Unfortunately, despite being completely unfamiliar with this opening, I can recognize a lost position when I see it, and see it I did once my low-rated opponent varied from the authors' horrible analysis! Holy cow! THIS is the sort of position which the authors, presumably experts on this opening, had in mind as worthy of exclams? It's obviously lost, and I found the same thing happening when I tried to wing it with GM Kortchnoi's book on the King's Gambit. All I can say is that these guys must be connected, for their analysis is horrible, and no self-respecting publisher should kill any more trees on their account. For god sakes, save the trees for toothpicks, firewood, or anything else but this. One of these guys has a GM title, and his co- author has an IM title, while the other two co-authors have nothing but their swagger sticks, but it seems to make no difference, as the analysis is just cr*p! My Fritz 5.32 could do a better job, given sufficient time and some help from say, Chess Assistant 0.9 or Chessbase, free trial edition. I used to make fun of Eric Schiller for cranking out "books" in a day or two, but he had merely *perfected* the art. These other guys are no better. -- help bot
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 20:01:07
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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"help bot" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Aug 26, 9:18 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > The punishment should fit the crime. > > > I just happen to have a book here on the Latvian > Gambit, so I thought, what the heck? I'll try it out > against some really weak player and see what > happens. The problem arises when I am just > following along the authors' analysis, and take their > enthusiastic use of exclamation points to mean > that White has serious trouble gaining any edge > versus his favorite move (5. ...Qf7!). White has 3 choices at move 3. I just tried two of them last week, with some advantage, which line is this? Essentially there is [3] Bc4, Nxe5 and ef. I tried the first two. Seems to me the only way to play the 'Latvian' is the deferred means of playing it against the Ruy, [Schliemann] either directly or after a6, [the deferred] which has a certain preference. Phil > Unfortunately, > despite being completely unfamiliar with this > opening, I can recognize a lost position when I see > it, and see it I did once my low-rated opponent > varied from the authors' horrible analysis! > > Holy cow! THIS is the sort of position which the > authors, presumably experts on this opening, had > in mind as worthy of exclams? It's obviously lost, > and I found the same thing happening when I tried > to wing it with GM Kortchnoi's book on the King's > Gambit. All I can say is that these guys must be > connected, for their analysis is horrible, and no > self-respecting publisher should kill any more trees > on their account. For god sakes, save the trees > for toothpicks, firewood, or anything else but this. > > One of these guys has a GM title, and his co- > author has an IM title, while the other two co-authors > have nothing but their swagger sticks, but it seems > to make no difference, as the analysis is just cr*p! > My Fritz 5.32 could do a better job, given sufficient > time and some help from say, Chess Assistant 0.9 > or Chessbase, free trial edition. I used to make fun > of Eric Schiller for cranking out "books" in a day or > two, but he had merely *perfected* the art. These > other guys are no better. > > > -- help bot > > >
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 09:04:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 26, 7:51 am, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote: > Stop kidding yourself: > > Over 2 hours in this position! > > 6k1/p4p1p/4p1p1/5PP1/2p3P1/3r4/1p2K3/8 w - - 0 1 > wKe2,Pf5,g4,g5/bKg8,Rd3,Pa7,b2,c4,e6,f7,g6,h7 > > Any half-way decent amateur chess program can see that it will be mated > in 4 moves. Ah, you must be using Rybka, for how else could you have achieved a winning position against the new, improved GetClub program! -- help bot
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 08:59:45
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 26, 5:53 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > As you noticed the Getclub Chess recovered from bad position. So you > can see the game is playing better than earlier. On the contrary, the program erased several of my moves which had led to a decisive advantage, (originally, I had a Queen in the hole at d3 and so it could never castle and was a sitting duck) and when I resumed this game at some random point, I played much worse than before. This is not the same as the program playing strongly. I still have a playable position, but I am going to have to sac a piece to keep from losing my extra, passed and very far advanced, pawn. I now must work in order to win. I play a good deal of blitz (five minute) chess on my computer, so when the program was moving quickly, I naturally fell into the same tempo, but this is not a Fritz 5.32 handicap game, where the strength of play is severely limited by the program itself! The program froze up just when I had made a serious error, my Queen has nowhere to run and I will lose a piece. Your explanations (the program was being worked on for a few hours) never make any sense; for instance, I tried to resume the game on two different days, but to no avail. And what happened to my earlier moves, the ones where I had entrenched my Queen at d3? I seriously wonder if these problems occur as often when the program is winning (although I cannot really say, since it almost never is, against me). Sanny, it is neigh well impossible to play decent chess under such conditions; intermittent freezes, multiple take-backs at random, and essentially nonexistent time controls. This sort of thing was hashed out around the turn of the twentieth century, I believe; we don;t want to have to do it all over again. -- help bot
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 03:56:18
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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> For good measure, I tried yet again to finish this awful > game but although the Java applet loaded and the > position was displayed with Sanny's program to move, > it never did. I let it run in the background, checking > intermittently, but to no avail. The clock timer just > keeps ticking away (which is an improvement over > how things used to work atGetClub, admittedly). The game was edited, So there was a problem for an hour. Now it will play quicker. Also for some moves it will take longer but not longer than 5-10 minutes. While most of the moves will be played in 10-20 seconds Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 14:51:37
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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Sanny wrote: >> For good measure, I tried yet again to finish this awful >>game but although the Java applet loaded and the >>position was displayed with Sanny's program to move, >>it never did. I let it run in the background, checking >>intermittently, but to no avail. The clock timer just >>keeps ticking away (which is an improvement over >>how things used to work atGetClub, admittedly). > > > The game was edited, So there was a problem for an hour. Now it will > play quicker. Also for some moves it will take longer but not longer > than 5-10 minutes. > > While most of the moves will be played in 10-20 seconds > Stop kidding yourself: Over 2 hours in this position! 6k1/p4p1p/4p1p1/5PP1/2p3P1/3r4/1p2K3/8 w - - 0 1 wKe2,Pf5,g4,g5/bKg8,Rd3,Pa7,b2,c4,e6,f7,g6,h7 Any half-way decent amateur chess program can see that it will be mated in 4 moves.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 03:53:36
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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> I logged on recently and it placed me in the middle of > an unfinished game I had been playing under a different > handle (help bot), but a few moves before where I had > left off. Playing very quickly (both of us), I erred and > lost all my advantage, but then the program froze up, > refusing to move at all but showing the clock as ticking > away, on and on, and on. Last 2 days a lot of correction was done. so the game was not playing correctly. In such cases best thing is to play after an hour in a new window. Since if you have loaded the program when it is having errors, the game will not play good. Now most of the problems regarding game strength is solved. Now, you can play a descent game. Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html As you noticed the Getclub Chess recovered from bad position. So you can see the game is playing better than earlier. On some moves it takes longer while on some it plays rekably fast. you can see the recorded games to know how fast the game plays. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 19:57:31
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 25, 7:09 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > > So, does it forfeit on time when it oversteps the time control? Or, > > does it still cheat? > > I logged on recently and it placed me in the middle of > an unfinished game I had been playing under a different > handle (help bot), but a few moves before where I had > left off. Playing very quickly (both of us), I erred and > lost all my advantage, but then the program froze up, > refusing to move at all but showing the clock as ticking > away, on and on, and on. > > My take is that the Web site is buggy, and probably > always will be. These announcements of "fixed" errors > and "improvements" will never end, so long as Sanny > is physically able to type. For good measure, I tried yet again to finish this awful game but although the Java applet loaded and the position was displayed with Sanny's program to move, it never did. I let it run in the background, checking intermittently, but to no avail. The clock timer just keeps ticking away (which is an improvement over how things used to work at GetClub, admittedly). I have occasionally run across tournament opponents who will do this, just freeze up and refuse to ever move, but generally it is because they are about to be mated or their Queen is trapped -- something like that. And of course they eventually run out of time and lose because of the limit. -- help bot
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 17:09:03
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote: > > However it will take a little longer on some moves which needs more > > analysis. While it will play very fast in most of the cases. > > So, does it forfeit on time when it oversteps the time control? Or, > does it still cheat? I logged on recently and it placed me in the middle of an unfinished game I had been playing under a different handle (help bot), but a few moves before where I had left off. Playing very quickly (both of us), I erred and lost all my advantage, but then the program froze up, refusing to move at all but showing the clock as ticking away, on and on, and on. My take is that the Web site is buggy, and probably always will be. These announcements of "fixed" errors and "improvements" will never end, so long as Sanny is physically able to type. ---- Another Web site called chessworld.net has no such issues, but I must say that I was shocked to log on (to see if Rob Mitchell or my one other opponent had moved yet) and find that I had been entered in some tournament without my knowledge or consent! Ten games were started by the system, automatically I suppose, one with White and one with Black against each of five different newcomers like myself. All of these players have the low starting ratings, so I decided to "experiment" with some oddball openings, like the Latvian Gambit (hell if I'll ever do that again!) and the King's Gambit, which is now a Faulkbeer in which I blindly followed some line in a book I happen to have handy by GM Kortchnoi. As luck would have it, my low-rated opponent seems to have effortlessly refuted the analysis given by GM Kortchnoi, and I won't be surprised if this player, now rated at around 700, beats me soundly! LOL -- help bot
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 14:18:03
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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"help bot" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Another Web site called chessworld.net has no such > issues, but I must say that I was shocked to log on > (to see if Rob Mitchell or my one other opponent had > moved yet) and find that I had been entered in some > tournament without my knowledge or consent! Ten > games were started by the system, automatically I > suppose, one with White and one with Black against > each of five different newcomers like myself. I don't remember that happening to me, but maybe the 'system' encourages newbies to establish themselves this way? > All of these players have the low starting ratings, so > I decided to "experiment" with some oddball openings, > like the Latvian Gambit (hell if I'll ever do that again!) ROFL! THAT'S why /he/ is is playing that! he doesn't like it either. Sanny should sign-himself up at chessworld and enter his offspring, though I don't know if that is legal. At least it will avert what Ken Sloan rightly says is illegal, by ignoring its own clock - since it takes all day to move anyway, correspondance chess might be just the ticket for Sanny-bot, and Sanny can get to wait for the machine to make its move <ggg > which imo, seems like the fastest way to fix it. Phil Innes > and the King's Gambit, which is now a Faulkbeer in > which I blindly followed some line in a book I happen > to have handy by GM Kortchnoi. As luck would have > it, my low-rated opponent seems to have effortlessly > refuted the analysis given by GM Kortchnoi, and I > won't be surprised if this player, now rated at around > 700, beats me soundly! LOL > > > -- help bot > >
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 16:31:01
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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Sanny wrote: > Today 2 errors were removed which make GetClub Chess much better than > it was ever back. > > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > > The two strange errors were removed which were causing it to play > weaker moves. > > Now, It will play best moves without errors. > > However it will take a little longer on some moves which needs more > analysis. While it will play very fast in most of the cases. > So, does it forfeit on time when it oversteps the time control? Or, does it still cheat? -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 08:33:25
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Now, GetClub.com Playing quite good moves.
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> However it will take a little longer on some moves which needs more > analysis. While it will play very fast in most of the cases. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Here is a recorded Game Played with Easy Level with LudoChess. Can Someone Analyze this Game. White: Ludochess Black: GetClub (Easy Level) Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7933&game=Chess White: Black Me {Using Computer}, GetClub Easy Level 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bd7 4. d4 Nc6 5. d5 Ne7 6. Be2 Nf6 7. Bg5 Bg4 8. Nd2 Bd7 9. Bf6 f6 10. Nc4 Bh6 11. Bd3 Bg5 12. h4 Bf4 13. g3 Bh6 14. Qh5 Bg7 15. 0-0-0 a5 16. Ne3 Ng6 17. Nf5 Bf5 18. f5 Nf8 19. Bb5 Nd7 20. Rg1 Qe7 21. Re1 0-0-0 22. g4 Nf8 23. f4 Nd7 24. Na4 Qf8 25. Re4 Bh6 26. g5 g5 27. g5 g7 28. Bd7 Rd7 29. f6 Bf6 30. f6 f4 31. Rg7 b5 32. Nc3 b4 33. Nb5 K-b8 34. Nd4 h6 35. Qe2 Rd8 36. Nc6 Kc8 37. Qa6 Kd7 38. Ne5 e5 39. Qe6 And White Wins the Game Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7933&game=Chess So you can see the moves played by GetClub Easy Level. Though it lost the game It mantained a good fight. Can someone tell me wrong moves in this game by GetClub {Playing BLACK} Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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