No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

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Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:55:37
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum, in addition to a general
chess forum, and a forum where I will give specific opening advice. I hope
to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
for analysis, and invite others to do the same.

Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
get first-class instruction without paying a cent, and for those with a
political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them. I even allow commercial
promotion on the boards and have a forum for product reviews.

Come one come ALL! NOW!!!

The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x

See you there.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 18 Jul 2006 08:49:47
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

Ray Gordon wrote:
> > Besides, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that in the off-chance you actually
> > GET anyone to subscribe to your "unbiased and uncensored chess politics
> > forum," the minute someone calls you on all the bullshit you spew or
> > even questions your self-proclaimed chess prowess, you will immediately
> > ban that person from your BB. And threaten to sue them for
> > libel/slander. Or both.
>
> One would have a hard time claiming they couldn't mitigate damages on their
> own board, where they can delete posts and/or speak out against them without
> being banned.

Exactly. And since you've already proven yourself thin-skinned and
predisposed to threats of mindless, baseless lawsuits against those who
question your "abilities" and "training regime," your BB will never
gain more than ten members. And those ten will undoubtedly be
uninformed Class R players and gluttons for extreme punishment.

> >> I hope to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my
> >> best games
> >> for analysis,
> >
> > Uh huh. They will undoubtedly include some of the truly amazing
> > "brilliancies" you've stumbled upon playing one-minute chess against
> > Class D players as a guest on ICC.
>
> Actually it's a "game of the day" now.

Well, of course it is! Since there are 1440 minutes in every day,
having the "1000 games of the day" seems right up your alley.

> My current strength is also not 1500, it's higher.

Broke that ever-elusive 1550 barrier, huh?

> >> and for those with a
> >> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about
> >> censorship
> >> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them.
> >
> > So you WILL censor those who flame others, eh? Sounds like your
> > "uncensored" chess forum isn't so uncensored after all.
>
> He should learn to read: ANONYMOUS posts are what are not possible. Since
> the users can be traced if someone sues, they tend to keep their behavior in
> check.

And since you're the moderator of the forum, you can conveniently edit
and/or delete posts which show you in your negative light.

Again, I don't see you getting more than ten people to sign up. Just
ask Andrew Sterigou (a.k.a. "A1") how popular his forums are. I
suspect yours will be even less.

> The forum is uncensored.

No, they're moderated. By YOU. And since you've already proven that
you're the king of double-standards when it comes to free speech, I
doubt anyone buys your claim that the forum is "uncensored."

Do let us know how it all turns out, Gordo. I imagine it'll last as
long as the several lawsuits you've threatened against me.

Toodles!

Date: 18 Jul 2006 02:16:11
From: London Chess
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

cus, Sloan and Gordon, 3 nuts on a pear tree.

Cheers,
Tony

[email protected] wrote:

> This is a positive contribution from Ray Gordon. I applaud the efforts
> to eliminate censorship from the USCF web site. I think that the
> American chess players are really being misled by the "volunteer
> leadership" of the USCF. A small group of people have taken political
> control of an organization for the personal financial benefit of
> themselves and their friends. What you have is a government in need of
> followers. The leadership does not play chess, the want to govern those
> that do play chess. Goichberg just sits there and talks arrogantly and
> selfishly about his "service" to chess as a reason to CENSOR ideas.
>
> At least somebody like Ray Gordon is offering SOLUTIONS to this problem
> of CENSORSHIP. We need more solutions!
>
> You can not express these ideas on the USCF web site with political
> censors. I submit, under the USCF posting guidelines, the web site
> censorship rules are grossly discriminatory against corporate directors
> (Delegates) trying to make policy. If a USCF Delegate can't post
> without censorship (Polgar), why don't we just abolish the Board of
> Delegates and give all of the little remaining corporate funds to Bill
> Goichberg? After all, Goichberg EARNED IT. The logic doesn't go much
> further than a pouplarity contest with EVIL leaders prevailing in
> elections where the ballots keep on getting intentionally misprinted.
>
> The bottom line here is Ray Gordon is offering a solution to the Mike
> Nolan problem of censorship. The mere offer of a solution is progress
> on this anti American stance taken by people who are, for the most part
> - DISHONEST.
>
> How can you claim to be an American chess organization when you promote
> the most important American value that we have, the first Amendment of
> the US Constitution?
>
> cus Roberts
>
> Ray Gordon wrote:
> > I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
> > truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum, in addition to a general
> > chess forum, and a forum where I will give specific opening advice. I hope
> > to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
> > for analysis, and invite others to do the same.
> >
> > Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
> > get first-class instruction without paying a cent, and for those with a
> > political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
> > or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them. I even allow commercial
> > promotion on the boards and have a forum for product reviews.
> >
> > Come one come ALL! NOW!!!
> >
> > The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x
> >
> > See you there.
> >
> > --
> > "Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
> > District of PA Judge
> > From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 18 Jul 2006 00:36:11
From:
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

This is a positive contribution from Ray Gordon. I applaud the efforts
to eliminate censorship from the USCF web site. I think that the
American chess players are really being misled by the "volunteer
leadership" of the USCF. A small group of people have taken political
control of an organization for the personal financial benefit of
themselves and their friends. What you have is a government in need of
followers. The leadership does not play chess, the want to govern those
that do play chess. Goichberg just sits there and talks arrogantly and
selfishly about his "service" to chess as a reason to CENSOR ideas.

At least somebody like Ray Gordon is offering SOLUTIONS to this problem
of CENSORSHIP. We need more solutions!

You can not express these ideas on the USCF web site with political
censors. I submit, under the USCF posting guidelines, the web site
censorship rules are grossly discriminatory against corporate directors
(Delegates) trying to make policy. If a USCF Delegate can't post
without censorship (Polgar), why don't we just abolish the Board of
Delegates and give all of the little remaining corporate funds to Bill
Goichberg? After all, Goichberg EARNED IT. The logic doesn't go much
further than a pouplarity contest with EVIL leaders prevailing in
elections where the ballots keep on getting intentionally misprinted.

The bottom line here is Ray Gordon is offering a solution to the Mike
Nolan problem of censorship. The mere offer of a solution is progress
on this anti American stance taken by people who are, for the most part
- DISHONEST.

How can you claim to be an American chess organization when you promote
the most important American value that we have, the first Amendment of
the US Constitution?

cus Roberts

Ray Gordon wrote:
> I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
> truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum, in addition to a general
> chess forum, and a forum where I will give specific opening advice. I hope
> to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
> for analysis, and invite others to do the same.
>
> Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
> get first-class instruction without paying a cent, and for those with a
> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them. I even allow commercial
> promotion on the boards and have a forum for product reviews.
>
> Come one come ALL! NOW!!!
>
> The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x
>
> See you there.
>
> --
> "Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
> District of PA Judge
> From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 17 Jul 2006 21:37:59
From: Scott
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

Matt Nemmers wrote:
> Ray Gordon wrote:
> > I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
> > truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum,
>
> Trying to re-invent the wheel *AND* take credit for it? LMAO. Usenet
> is the only TRULY unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum. You're
> a couple decades late, Gordo.
>
> Besides, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that in the off-chance you actually
> GET anyone to subscribe to your "unbiased and uncensored chess politics
> forum," the minute someone calls you on all the bullshit you spew or
> even questions your self-proclaimed chess prowess, you will immediately
> ban that person from your BB. And threaten to sue them for
> libel/slander. Or both.
>
> Of course, everyone already knows this.
>
> > I hope to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
> > for analysis,
>
> Uh huh. They will undoubtedly include some of the truly amazing
> "brilliancies" you've stumbled upon playing one-minute chess against
> Class D players as a guest on ICC.
>
> > Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
> > get first-class instruction without paying a cent,
>
> LMAO. Chess "instruction" from an Internet 1500 player who hasn't
> played an OTB game in over 16 years will be worth every penny.
> (Because it's free. Get it?)
>
> > and for those with a
> > political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
> > or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them.
>
> So you WILL censor those who flame others, eh? Sounds like your
> "uncensored" chess forum isn't so uncensored after all.
>
> > See you there.
>
> If we're not there in five days ... just wait longer.

Date: 17 Jul 2006 19:43:41
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

Ray Gordon wrote:
> I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
> truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum,

Trying to re-invent the wheel *AND* take credit for it? LMAO. Usenet
is the only TRULY unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum. You're
a couple decades late, Gordo.

Besides, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that in the off-chance you actually
GET anyone to subscribe to your "unbiased and uncensored chess politics
forum," the minute someone calls you on all the bullshit you spew or
even questions your self-proclaimed chess prowess, you will immediately
ban that person from your BB. And threaten to sue them for
libel/slander. Or both.

Of course, everyone already knows this.

> I hope to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
> for analysis,

Uh huh. They will undoubtedly include some of the truly amazing
"brilliancies" you've stumbled upon playing one-minute chess against
Class D players as a guest on ICC.

> Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
> get first-class instruction without paying a cent,

LMAO. Chess "instruction" from an Internet 1500 player who hasn't
played an OTB game in over 16 years will be worth every penny.
(Because it's free. Get it?)

> and for those with a
> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them.

So you WILL censor those who flame others, eh? Sounds like your
"uncensored" chess forum isn't so uncensored after all.

> See you there.

If we're not there in five days ... just wait longer.

Date: 18 Jul 2006 02:29:51
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

> Besides, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that in the off-chance you actually
> GET anyone to subscribe to your "unbiased and uncensored chess politics
> forum," the minute someone calls you on all the bullshit you spew or
> even questions your self-proclaimed chess prowess, you will immediately
> ban that person from your BB. And threaten to sue them for
> libel/slander. Or both.

One would have a hard time claiming they couldn't mitigate damages on their
own board, where they can delete posts and/or speak out against them without
being banned.

>> I hope to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my
>> best games
>> for analysis,
>
> Uh huh. They will undoubtedly include some of the truly amazing
> "brilliancies" you've stumbled upon playing one-minute chess against
> Class D players as a guest on ICC.

Actually it's a "game of the day" now.

>> Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players
>> to
>> get first-class instruction without paying a cent,
>
> LMAO. Chess "instruction" from an Internet 1500 player who hasn't
> played an OTB game in over 16 years will be worth every penny.
> (Because it's free. Get it?)

Lifetime peaks are very important measures of chess teachers, especially if
it's the basics being taught.

My current strength is also not 1500, it's higher.

>> and for those with a
>> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about
>> censorship
>> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them.
>
> So you WILL censor those who flame others, eh? Sounds like your
> "uncensored" chess forum isn't so uncensored after all.

He should learn to read: ANONYMOUS posts are what are not possible. Since
the users can be traced if someone sues, they tend to keep their behavior in
check.

The forum is uncensored.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 17 Jul 2006 01:29:05
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
> > Firefox can distinguish between "good popups" and "bad popups" like ads.
>
> Really? How? And is there such a thing as a good pop-up?

I'm not sure. When I click on Terms of Service the page appears, but
it's been months since I last saw a popup ad.

Date: 16 Jul 2006 11:35:24
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> Many places have them and in most I have no trouble reading them.
> All you have to do is place them in a file on the site and put a
> link to it.
>
> > I suppose you could temporarily disable pop-ups for the five seconds it
> > would take to click.
>
> Sorry, no.

http://www.cybersheet.com/eve/tos

Firefox can distinguish between "good popups" and "bad popups" like ads.

Date: 16 Jul 2006 22:32:07
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

On 2006-07-16, [email protected] wrote:
> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>> Many places have them and in most I have no trouble reading them.
>> All you have to do is place them in a file on the site and put a
>> link to it.
>>
>> > I suppose you could temporarily disable pop-ups for the five seconds it
>> > would take to click.
>>
>> Sorry, no.
>
> http://www.cybersheet.com/eve/tos

Thanks.

> Firefox can distinguish between "good popups" and "bad popups" like ads.

Really? How? And is there such a thing as a good pop-up?

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 17 Jul 2006 14:42:35
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

> Really? How? And is there such a thing as a good pop-up?

A TOS page is one example in that it's not spam or anything.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 17 Jul 2006 17:19:16
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

On 2006-07-17, Ray Gordon wrote:
>> Really? How? And is there such a thing as a good pop-up?
>
> A TOS page is one example in that it's not spam or anything.

What's wrong with putting it on its own page? If I want it to open
in a new window (or a new tab), I can tell my browser to do that.

There is no good reason to make it a popup.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 18 Jul 2006 02:26:54
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

>>> Really? How? And is there such a thing as a good pop-up?
>>
>> A TOS page is one example in that it's not spam or anything.
>
> What's wrong with putting it on its own page? If I want it to open
> in a new window (or a new tab), I can tell my browser to do that.
>
> There is no good reason to make it a popup.

I use a hosting company and don't know much about web programming.

I suppose I could add an option for someone to e-mail me their acceptance of
the TOS and then manually list them as verified.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 16 Jul 2006 00:00:01
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

On 2006-07-16, Ray Gordon wrote:
> I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
> truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum, in addition to a general
> chess forum, and a forum where I will give specific opening advice. I hope
> to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best games
> for analysis, and invite others to do the same.
>
> Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players to
> get first-class instruction without paying a cent, and for those with a
> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about censorship
> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them. I even allow commercial
> promotion on the boards and have a forum for product reviews.
>
> Come one come ALL! NOW!!!
>
> The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x

If I could read the Terms of Service, I might join. I presume that
the JavaScript opens a new window to show them; I do not allow
that.

Using JavaScript instead of HTML to display text is rather like
making an questionable sacrifice when there is a forced mate in 2.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 16 Jul 2006 00:23:24
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

If it will help, I'll join the e-mail address in your post and you can
confirm it by e-mail. That should solve the problem.

>> I have revamped the Ray Gordon Discussions to include the internet's only
>> truly unbiased and uncensored chess politics forum, in addition to a
>> general
>> chess forum, and a forum where I will give specific opening advice. I
>> hope
>> to add a "game of the week" soon where I will publish some of my best
>> games
>> for analysis, and invite others to do the same.
>>
>> Since my rating peaked at 2000, here's a chance for some weaker players
>> to
>> get first-class instruction without paying a cent, and for those with a
>> political bent to speak their minds without having to worry about
>> censorship
>> or anonymous trolls flaming and defaming them. I even allow commercial
>> promotion on the boards and have a forum for product reviews.
>>
>> Come one come ALL! NOW!!!
>>
>> The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x
>
> If I could read the Terms of Service, I might join. I presume that
> the JavaScript opens a new window to show them; I do not allow
> that.
>
> Using JavaScript instead of HTML to display text is rather like
> making an questionable sacrifice when there is a forced mate in 2.
>
> --
> Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
> ===================================================================
> Author:
> Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 16 Jul 2006 01:04:00
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

On 2006-07-16, Ray Gordon wrote:
> If it will help, I'll join the e-mail address in your post and you can
> confirm it by e-mail. That should solve the problem.

Thanks, but I still will not say I accept the terms of service
until I can read them. Can you not give a proper URL?

>>>
>>> The boards are at http://www.cybersheet.com/6/ubb.x
>>
>> If I could read the Terms of Service, I might join. I presume that
>> the JavaScript opens a new window to show them; I do not allow
>> that.
>>
>> Using JavaScript instead of HTML to display text is rather like
>> making an questionable sacrifice when there is a forced mate in 2.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 16 Jul 2006 02:00:58
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

>> If it will help, I'll join the e-mail address in your post and you can
>> confirm it by e-mail. That should solve the problem.
>
> Thanks, but I still will not say I accept the terms of service
> until I can read them. Can you not give a proper URL?

The TOS is a legal protection I can't circumvent, even that way. Most every
site has them and your own ISP had them.

I suppose you could temporarily disable pop-ups for the five seconds it
would take to click. I'm restricted by technology, unfortunately.

I did kick off the "Game of the Day" feature with a nine-mover I won on the
Black side of a Symmetrical English against an 1800 player.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 16 Jul 2006 02:13:58
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

On 2006-07-16, Ray Gordon wrote:
>>> If it will help, I'll join the e-mail address in your post and you can
>>> confirm it by e-mail. That should solve the problem.
>>
>> Thanks, but I still will not say I accept the terms of service
>> until I can read them. Can you not give a proper URL?
>
> The TOS is a legal protection I can't circumvent, even that way. Most every
> site has them and your own ISP had them.

Many places have them and in most I have no trouble reading them.
All you have to do is place them in a file on the site and put a
link to it.

> I suppose you could temporarily disable pop-ups for the five seconds it
> would take to click.

Sorry, no.

> I'm restricted by technology, unfortunately.

Unnecesarily so.

> I did kick off the "Game of the Day" feature with a nine-mover I won on the
> Black side of a Symmetrical English against an 1800 player.

Congrats. I'd like to see it.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Date: 16 Jul 2006 03:07:38
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No Strings, No Favors: An UNCENSORED, UNBIASED Chess Forum

>> I suppose you could temporarily disable pop-ups for the five seconds it
>> would take to click.
>
> Sorry, no.
>
>> I'm restricted by technology, unfortunately.
>
> Unnecesarily so.

Your choice.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918