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Date: 02 Nov 2008 22:52:09
From: Sanny
Subject: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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I am thinking of creating a new Chess Program that can be downloaded and played on computer. I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the World. What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I get more sales? If my program plays better than Rybka and Fritz how much price I should keep for the program to get more money? Here is the list of Prices of Rybka, Fritz and other Programs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chess Assistant 10 Professional package with Deep Rybka 3 ($ 149.95) ChessGenius ($ 24.95) Chessmaster 10th Edition ($ 29.95) Deep Fritz 11 ($ 109.95) Deep Hiarcs ($ 139.95) GetClub Program will play stronger than all the above listed. So what should be the price I should keep for the downloaded Program? If my program is stronger that all the Chess Programs in the World how many Sales I can have? Can I sell 1000 copies/year? Can I sell 10,000 copies/ year? Can I sell 100,000 copies/ year? Or 1,000,000 copies/ year? Because I will have to invest atleast $1,00,000 - $10,00,000 to create this package and Market it. Can I get information about how many copes of Fritz/ Rybka/ Chess Master has been sold? Or details about number of sales / year? If I see benefit I will take loans for developing it. But I will have to repay all money I take along with the interests. So I wish to know If my program plays Strongest than all programs in the World how many copies I can sale/ year? Anyone can help from where I can get this information? I have 2 main Question. 1. What should be the Price of Program $50 - $200 [Best for Sales] 2. Number of Sales possible [1000 - 100,000] (sales per year) If I can get correct estimates of above and find it profitable to invest I will take loans and invest the money. Please send me the details as I have to descide If I create a new downloadable program. Also suggest a NAME for the new program. As "GetClub" is already taken by the Java version. GetClub is for average Players only and I am not going to improve it further. I want that program to have a new NAME and that would be the Strongest Program in the WORLD. Bye Sanny
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 15:44:27
From: help bot
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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On Nov 3, 4:22=A0am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote: > I have a 1024-node, 32-way symmetric multiprocessor system with a peak > performance of about 24 TeraOperations per second. > The hard drive is a sphere=97about the size of Rover in The Prisoner=97 > coated in Perspex and filled with liquefied gallium arsenide. Do you > know about van der Waals dispersion forces? Well that is the essence > of the hard drive. The sphere is suspended a hundredth of a millimetre > above its perigee by use of two electromagnetic gyroscopes - so it can > rotate through all its axes at lightning speed. It is surrounded by > thousands of miniature laser beams that can write to any part of the > interior of the sphere. Data is stored by the heat from the laser > beams causing the gallium arsenide to crystallise; essentially each > molecule of gallium arsenide becomes one bit; each crystal contains > about 100 million bits. One week I calculated that the entire sphere > would have a potential memory of about one hundred trillion > yottabytes. (Enough for all my music.) > > I have 160 Terabytes of RAM with some fans in the ceiling help to keep > the ambient temperature down to about 4 degrees Celsius. Lox runs > through small cables - like fibre-optic cables - and back through a > freezer. This keeps the motherboard down to about 170 Kelvins. > > I am willing to try out your new chess program on my computer. > > My problem is that I am using Windows 3.1 and I keep getting the > message: > > =A0 =A0 * Press any key to terminate the current application. > =A0 =A0 * Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart your computer. You will > =A0 =A0 lose any unsaved information in all applications. > =A0 =A0 Press any key to continue. > > What does that mean?- Hide quoted text - Let's take this one step at a time. First, are you able to locate the "any" key? -- help bot
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 08:42:28
From: None
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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On Nov 3, 11:26=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > > I want that program to have a new NAME and that would be the Stronges= t > > > Program in the WORLD. > > =A0 Sanny, the only way you could do that is to bootleg Rybka or > > Fritz11, and slap a new wrapper on the CD. Of course, that would be > > quite illegal, but maybe you could make some money before you get > > busted. > > =A0 Trying to write a new program on your own, you have about as much > > chance to create the world's strongest chess program as a monkey with > > a typewriter has of writing the Great American Novel. > > Remember 2 years back you said "Master Level can never beat me in my > Life". Today Master Level plays much better. The only reasion It is > unable to beat you is you stopped playing with it. Now you only play > with Easy Level and win. > > Rybka is arround 10-20 times stronger than GetClub if both given the > same time. As per the testing done by me against Rybka. GetClub needs > 10-20 times more time to make as good move as Rybka makes. > > So I am switching to C++ which will be 10-20 times faster. > > Things that I will employ are > > 1. Take advantage of dual / quad cores 4 times faster here > 2. Program loaded in memory so 5 times faster than Applet which hangs > on Browser. > > So when the program will be made in C++ that will be much efficient. I > read at some places that Chess program are 40-50 times faster in C > than in Java. So I will do this experiment and see If the Program > becomes stronger than Rybka. > > I don''t know if Rybka is worlds best. But most players say so. And > when the Program plays as good as Rybka I will declare it Better than > Rybka. > > Bye > Sanny SPAMMER
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 08:26:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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> > I want that program to have a new NAME and that would be the Strongest > > Program in the WORLD. > =A0 Sanny, the only way you could do that is to bootleg Rybka or > Fritz11, and slap a new wrapper on the CD. Of course, that would be > quite illegal, but maybe you could make some money before you get > busted. > =A0 Trying to write a new program on your own, you have about as much > chance to create the world's strongest chess program as a monkey with > a typewriter has of writing the Great American Novel. Remember 2 years back you said "Master Level can never beat me in my Life". Today Master Level plays much better. The only reasion It is unable to beat you is you stopped playing with it. Now you only play with Easy Level and win. Rybka is arround 10-20 times stronger than GetClub if both given the same time. As per the testing done by me against Rybka. GetClub needs 10-20 times more time to make as good move as Rybka makes. So I am switching to C++ which will be 10-20 times faster. Things that I will employ are 1. Take advantage of dual / quad cores 4 times faster here 2. Program loaded in memory so 5 times faster than Applet which hangs on Browser. So when the program will be made in C++ that will be much efficient. I read at some places that Chess program are 40-50 times faster in C than in Java. So I will do this experiment and see If the Program becomes stronger than Rybka. I don''t know if Rybka is worlds best. But most players say so. And when the Program plays as good as Rybka I will declare it Better than Rybka. Bye Sanny
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:59:42
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Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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On Nov 3, 1:52=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > I want that program to have a new NAME and that would be the Strongest > Program in the WORLD. Sanny, the only way you could do that is to bootleg Rybka or Fritz11, and slap a new wrapper on the CD. Of course, that would be quite illegal, but maybe you could make some money before you get busted. Trying to write a new program on your own, you have about as much chance to create the world's strongest chess program as a monkey with a typewriter has of writing the Great American Novel.
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:19:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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On Nov 3, 12:09=A0pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote: > Sanny wrote: > > I am thinking of creating a new Chess Program that can be downloaded > > and played on computer. > > > I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster > > than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the > > World. > > > What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I > > get more sales? > > a) play legal chess. Ofcourse That will be done in that program since it would be worlds best. Bye Sanny
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:18:46
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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> I am willing to try out your new chess program on my computer. But you have to wait an year for that Program. At the moment the Program is on Papers and yet to be designed. I will tell you when its ready. You will be the first Customer So I will give that program to you for Free. > My problem is that I am using Windows 3.1 and I keep getting the > message: > > =A0 =A0 * Press any key to terminate the current application. > =A0 =A0 * Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart your computer. You will > =A0 =A0 lose any unsaved information in all applications. > =A0 =A0 Press any key to continue. I think there is some virus. Use some anti Virus. Or try ScanDisk. Bye Sanny
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:16:18
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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> > Can I sell 1000 copies/year? > > Can I sell 10,000 copies/ year? > > Can I sell 100,000 copies/ year? > > You cannot guess the number of copies you can sell without a product to > sell. Then you need a marketting team to look at it and look at your target > audience and they will tell you how many they think they can shift. > > > I would strongly recommend you don't. > > ave Great Advice. I will think over that. I find 80% of the players playing at GetClub are unable to win against the Beginner Level. So about 80% players it makes no sense whether it plays better moves or not. But I think the Marketing Ad "Worlds best" will drive a lot of new customers. As people usually choose the best even if they do not need them. There are 1000s of programs in the Market but only the top one gets sales. I just want to know how many Products get Sold by the Big Names. If they are selling more than a Million copies then I can try developing a stronger program else it would be a waste of my time & money. Can anyone get me the figure of How many copies are sold by Fritz every year? How many copies are sold by ChessMaster every year? and How many copies are sold by Rybka every year? If I have above figure I can descide about the how profitable the business is. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 15:44:11
From: ave
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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Okay, I think you completely missed my point really >.> > Great Advice. I will think over that. I find 80% of the players > playing at GetClub are unable to win against the Beginner Level. That does not make get club actually any good at chess. I doubt the number of players playing at GetClub chess covers the entire chess playing community to any large extent. 80% of players may be unable to win the Beginner Level, but that doesn't automatically mean Beginner Level can beat 80% of the chess playing community or even 80% of the chess playing community that would purchase a chess playing computer program. > So about 80% players it makes no sense whether it plays better moves > or not. Yes, that wasn't really what my post was about. But nevermind :) > But I think the Marketing Ad "Worlds best" will drive a lot of new > customers. As people usually choose the best even if they do not need > them. You can't put "Worlds best" in a marketing compaign unless it really is the worlds best. Otherwise so other competitor is just going to come along, throw a game out there when they completely thrash you. Or statistics that show you aren't the worlds best and your programs reputation will go down the drain. Even if you came back from that with a better program the damage would be done. > There are 1000s of programs in the Market but only the top one gets > sales. I just want to know how many Products get Sold by the Big > Names. If they are selling more than a Million copies then I can try > developing a stronger program else it would be a waste of my time & > money. I promise you, it is a waste of time and money for you. As I said, if GetClub already played better than these I would guess it was possible. But GetClub does not play anywhere near the level of these, not even close. And even if you did make a better chess program, that does not mean you will sell more copies. > Can anyone get me the figure of > > How many copies are sold by Fritz every year? > > How many copies are sold by ChessMaster every year? > > and How many copies are sold by Rybka every year? These are irrelevant to you... > If I have above figure I can descide about the how profitable the > business is. No, you can't. If ChessMaster sells 1million copies. You can't say your program would sell 1 million too. Even if it were better than ChessMaster. It might sell zero. It might sell more. You cannot use these products sales as a baseline to estimate your own sales because yours is a different product. It's like Ford trying to use Toyota's sales to guess how many cars they will sell. Even if they got the numbers it would be meaningless, because theirs is a different product. To determine if it's a profitable business, you need a product and a marketing team and they will tell you how many they think they can sell. The product doesn't need to be finished, just in a state the marketing team can see what it will be like when it is finished. ave
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:07:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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> You clearly have no clue regarding programming, chess or marketing. =A0 I > would suggest you open a lemonade stand and concentrate on making the bes= t > lemonade in the world. =A0 =A0This goal is possibly within your (limited)= skill > set. Thats a high profit business. you get a profit of 50% of the sales. You just need a busy street for this business and pay commision to police man. lemonade stand is very easy business with lots of profit I would suggest it for anyone who want easy money. I am fixed in Chess for last 2 years So I cannot jumpto other business quickly. Well when I will retire I will think about this business. At the moment I can offer you to play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Ches= s.html If you want more juice come later. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 07:32:05
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:db7735bc-f0cc-4222-ac3f-d8e1604361d3@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >I am thinking of creating a new Chess Program that can be downloaded > and played on computer. > > I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster > than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the > World. > > What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I > get more sales? You clearly have no clue regarding programming, chess or marketing. I would suggest you open a lemonade stand and concentrate on making the best lemonade in the world. This goal is possibly within your (limited) skill set.
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 10:59:39
From: ave
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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Again I'm trying to be honest in here, I kind of assume you wont invest the money you suggest amongst other things. But, just in case you're seriously considering it: > I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster > than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the > World. In all honesty, I would say... just don't. As you will not be able to produce such a program and you will lose a lot of money. If your Java program played the best chess in the world, but was just slow. I could see why you would contemplate such a move. But your Java program does not play the best chess in the world, it doesn't even come close to the best chess in the world. So trying to suggest simply switching to C++ and you could produce such a program is not realistic. > What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I > get more sales? I would say it needs to support multiple processors, play proper chess, have various settings configurable (such as 'personalities', its depth etc.). Simply looking at other chess programs will give you lots of ideas (don't "copy" other programs, just use them for inspiration). You will need great presentation. > If my program plays better than Rybka and Fritz how much price I > should keep for the program to get more money? The amount of copies sold will not really equate to how well it plays. Ofcourse, it needs to play *well*. And even as good as it possibly can be. But that isn't the major reason for it to sell. It will need great reviews, great publicity all this comes from marketing. > GetClub Program will play stronger than all the above listed. So what > should be the price I should keep for the downloaded Program? It depends on your target audience, do you want as broad a market as possible or more of a focused niche? For example, if you specifically target chess professionals (and the program matches what your audience wants) you can charge more. But you will sell less because of the focused audience. For a more general audience you need to charge less, but will probably sell more. This is all standard stuff that anyone who wants to sell something should understand without being told >.> The best way to decide a price isn't to query "how much should I charge?". You need to take into account the cost to develop and market. Figure how much you can sell (which is usually the job of the marketting department after they've examined the product). Factor in some profit and voila. You have a product price. > Can I sell 1000 copies/year? > Can I sell 10,000 copies/ year? > Can I sell 100,000 copies/ year? > Or 1,000,000 copies/ year? You cannot guess the number of copies you can sell without a product to sell. Then you need a marketting team to look at it and look at your target audience and they will tell you how many they think they can shift. > Because I will have to invest atleast $1,00,000 - $10,00,000 to create > this package and Market it. I would strongly recommend you don't. ave
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 01:22:03
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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On Nov 3, 6:52 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > I am thinking of creating a new Chess Program that can be downloaded > and played on computer. > > I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster > than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the > World. > > What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I > get more sales? > > If my program plays better than Rybka and Fritz how much price I > should keep for the program to get more money? > > Here is the list of Prices of Rybka, Fritz and other Programs. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------- > > Chess Assistant 10 Professional package with Deep Rybka 3 ($ 149.95) > > ChessGenius ($ 24.95) > > Chessmaster 10th Edition ($ 29.95) > > Deep Fritz 11 ($ 109.95) > > Deep Hiarcs ($ 139.95) > > GetClub Program will play stronger than all the above listed. So what > should be the price I should keep for the downloaded Program? > > If my program is stronger that all the Chess Programs in the World how > many Sales I can have? > > Can I sell 1000 copies/year? > Can I sell 10,000 copies/ year? > Can I sell 100,000 copies/ year? > Or 1,000,000 copies/ year? > > Because I will have to invest atleast $1,00,000 - $10,00,000 to create > this package and Market it. > > Can I get information about how many copes of Fritz/ Rybka/ Chess > Master has been sold? Or details about number of sales / year? > > If I see benefit I will take loans for developing it. But I will have > to repay all money I take along with the interests. > > So I wish to know If my program plays Strongest than all programs in > the World how many copies I can sale/ year? > > Anyone can help from where I can get this information? > > I have 2 main Question. > > 1. What should be the Price of Program $50 - $200 [Best for Sales] > 2. Number of Sales possible [1000 - 100,000] (sales per year) > > If I can get correct estimates of above and find it profitable to > invest I will take loans and invest the money. > > Please send me the details as I have to descide If I create a new > downloadable program. > > Also suggest a NAME for the new program. As "GetClub" is already taken > by the Java version. GetClub is for average Players only and I am not > going to improve it further. > > I want that program to have a new NAME and that would be the Strongest > Program in the WORLD. > > Bye > Sanny I have a 1024-node, 32-way symmetric multiprocessor system with a peak performance of about 24 TeraOperations per second. The hard drive is a sphere=97about the size of Rover in The Prisoner=97 coated in Perspex and filled with liquefied gallium arsenide. Do you know about van der Waals dispersion forces? Well that is the essence of the hard drive. The sphere is suspended a hundredth of a millimetre above its perigee by use of two electromagnetic gyroscopes - so it can rotate through all its axes at lightning speed. It is surrounded by thousands of miniature laser beams that can write to any part of the interior of the sphere. Data is stored by the heat from the laser beams causing the gallium arsenide to crystallise; essentially each molecule of gallium arsenide becomes one bit; each crystal contains about 100 million bits. One week I calculated that the entire sphere would have a potential memory of about one hundred trillion yottabytes. (Enough for all my music.) I have 160 Terabytes of RAM with some fans in the ceiling help to keep the ambient temperature down to about 4 degrees Celsius. Lox runs through small cables - like fibre-optic cables - and back through a freezer. This keeps the motherboard down to about 170 Kelvins. I am willing to try out your new chess program on my computer. My problem is that I am using Windows 3.1 and I keep getting the message: * Press any key to terminate the current application. * Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart your computer. You will lose any unsaved information in all applications. Press any key to continue. What does that mean?
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Date: 03 Nov 2008 01:09:32
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: New Chess Program (Worlds Strongest).
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Sanny wrote: > I am thinking of creating a new Chess Program that can be downloaded > and played on computer. > > I am thinking of designing it in C++ that will be 10-20 times faster > than the Java version. and that will be Strongest Program in the > World. > > What functionalities should I give in the downloaded program So that I > get more sales? a) play legal chess. -- Kenneth Sloan [email protected] Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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