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Date: 23 Sep 2008 06:51:42
From: samsloan
Subject: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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Ishi Press is proud to announce the reprinting of Masters of the
Chessboard by Richard Reti.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/092389148X
Widely regarded as the best chess book ever written, =93Masters of the
Chessboard=94, discusses the playing styles of each of the leading
grandmasters of history up until that time.
Richard Reti was one of the strongest and certainly was the most
original player of all time. He defeated at least once almost every
leading player of his era. He defeated Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe,
Rubinstein, Bogoljubov and Tartakower in tournament games.
He invented new and successful opening systems and brilliant endgame
studies.
He was also a ted and entertaining writer.
In this book, Reti examines the technique of each of the great masters
of his era and explains what enabled them to reach the top levels of
competitive chess.
This 2008 edition includes a new introduction explaining Reti's
contributions to modern chess theory.
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 17:06:23
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 8:49=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> > =A0 But the real problem with Mr. Sloan's idiocy
> > is that more than a few readers will recall his
> > flopping about from one hero to another, each
> > time a new reprint is available. =A0 =A0Whatever
> > becomes of these "best"s and "greatest"s of
> > all, after they are so quickly brushed aside
> > in favor of the next idol de jour? =A0 =A0Alas, like a
> > fickle lover, Mr. Sloan cannot be counted on
> > for more than a momentary, counterfeit
> > affection.
> Please cite an example of this.
Okay-- me. It requires no great feat of recall,
for these "hyper-inflated advertisements" come
quickly, one after another.
> I am not aware of any instance where I have exaggerated the importance
> of a book I have reprinted.
I am not surprised; there appears to be an
abundance of things with which the great
Sam Sloan is unfamiliar, even though many
have attempted in vain to educate him. I
expect that some folks are just slow learners.
-- help bot
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 11:50:29
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 1:34=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2:21=A0pm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 7:49=A0am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Please cite an example of this.
>
> > > I am not aware of any instance where I have exaggerated the importanc=
e
> > > of a book I have reprinted.
>
> > Weaver Adams?
>
> How much time have you spent reading Chess Life from the 1950s and
> 1960s?
Probably 2-3 hours per week last year, as well as Chess Review. Right
now it is mainly the old Wiener Schachzeitung that holds my interest.
I found an interesting old controversy in there regarding Euwe that I
had never seen before.
But that doesn't have a lot to do with your exaggerations.
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 11:34:45
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 2:21=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 7:49=A0am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Please cite an example of this.
>
> > I am not aware of any instance where I have exaggerated the importance
> > of a book I have reprinted.
>
> Weaver Adams?
How much time have you spent reading Chess Life from the 1950s and
1960s?
It is too bad that Weaver Adams was sent to the Soviet Union in 1946
to play as an alternate on the American Team, but he never got to
play, so he did not get to spring any of his Adams Gambits on those
Ruskies.
The Russians would not have been prepared for his pet opening lines
and would not have known what hit them.
Then, unfortunately, they would have been sent by Stalin to the Salt
Mines, so perhaps it was for the best.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 11:21:02
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 7:49=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Please cite an example of this.
>
> I am not aware of any instance where I have exaggerated the importance
> of a book I have reprinted.
Weaver Adams?
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 05:49:52
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 3:19=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2:00=A0am, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Reti easily was the most original player of all time.
> > Part of the problem is identifying him only as a player.
>
> =A0 Another part was where Mr. Sloan tossed in
> "most original", and the third part was where
> the poor chap swept up the entirety of all of
> time.
>
> =A0 But the real problem with Mr. Sloan's idiocy
> is that more than a few readers will recall his
> flopping about from one hero to another, each
> time a new reprint is available. =A0 =A0Whatever
> becomes of these "best"s and "greatest"s of
> all, after they are so quickly brushed aside
> in favor of the next idol de jour? =A0 =A0Alas, like a
> fickle lover, Mr. Sloan cannot be counted on
> for more than a momentary, counterfeit
> affection.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
Please cite an example of this.
I am not aware of any instance where I have exaggerated the importance
of a book I have reprinted.
Most of my books are not chess books, so you have a short list to
choose from.
Sam
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Date: 26 Sep 2008 00:19:14
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 26, 2:00=A0am, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > Reti easily was the most original player of all time.
> Part of the problem is identifying him only as a player.
Another part was where Mr. Sloan tossed in
"most original", and the third part was where
the poor chap swept up the entirety of all of
time.
But the real problem with Mr. Sloan's idiocy
is that more than a few readers will recall his
flopping about from one hero to another, each
time a new reprint is available. Whatever
becomes of these "best"s and "greatest"s of
all, after they are so quickly brushed aside
in favor of the next idol de jour? Alas, like a
fickle lover, Mr. Sloan cannot be counted on
for more than a momentary, counterfeit
affection.
-- help bot
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 23:00:32
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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> > Reti easily was the most original player of all time.
Part of the problem is identifying him only as a player.
Reti's studies are available free in pdf form in the Mandler book:
http://problem64.beda.cz/silo/mandler_samtliche_studien_von_reti_1931.pdf
There also currently is a study tourney underway focusing on Reti.
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 17:58:24
From:
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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samsloan wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:39=EF=BF=BDpm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 6:52=EF=BF=BDpm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 23, 7:08=EF=BF=BDpm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Sep 23, 4:55=EF=BF=BDpm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
> >
> > > > > There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, =
but
> > > > > that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the origin=
al.
> >
> > > > Instead of wholesale copying of the books, why couldn't you produce=
a
> > > > pdf version with hyperlinks to those games in pgn or other format?
> >
> > > > Or in addition to...
> >
> > > > I ask because I often now read these old books while looking at the
> > > > game on the computer. That maximizes "the literary qualities" while
> > > > providing me with the modern technology of looking at the game in a
> > > > convenient format (with analytic help nearby). But a pdf that
> > > > hyperlinked to games.....
> >
> > > Every game in Reti's book can be found on chessgames.com of course
> > > without Reti's notes.
> >
> > > Sam Sloan
> >
> > That's something of a non-reply.
> >
> > A pdf book that linked to chessgames.com or your CB reader would be
> > the ideal, and probably a more worthwhile project than serving as a
> > copying machine.
>
> If you are suggesting an e-book, unfortunately ebooks do not sell
> well. I have a few ebooks. I am lucky to sell one a month. Just about
> everybody who has tried the ebook business has quit.
So I guess all those ads I get from Fictionwise and Baen are optical
illusions.
> Amazon is pushing its Kendall. I do not know how that is working out.
You mean Kindle. Pretty well from what I've heard, but it's priced
well out of reach for subsistence-level bums like you.
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 09:33:05
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 25, 10:26=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> > =A0 For instance, the ludicrous claim that Mr.
> > Reti was "certainly the most original player
> > of all time" will not appear in his latest work.
> You obviously do not know your chess history well.
>
> Reti easily was the most original player of all time. Consider the
> following game against Emanuel Lasker. Have you ever seen a more
> original game than this? I do not think that this game has ever been
> conclusively analyzed and solved.
We know that every time a new book comes up
for Sloan-reprinting, a new lie emerges regarding
whatever person happens to be the man of the
hour (here it just happens to be Mr. Reti).
The cheap ploy is to try and boost the new guy
to super-hero status, but he always falls down
when the next Sloan-book comes along-- touting
someone new; it's all about boosting book sales
using lies and other nonsense as a tool.
I am eagerly awaiting a Sloan-book on one of
the very few players whose accomplishments
will prove difficult -- even for a Sam Sloan -- to
distort, exaggerate, invent or lie about. For
instance, even Mr. Sloan could hardly invent
matches which were not played by Mr. Steinitz,
or tournaments not won by Mr. Karpov, or
ratings not attained by Mr. Kasparov.
-- help bot
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 08:26:33
From:
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 25, 10:26=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 25, 3:08=A0am, help bot <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > =A0 For instance, the ludicrous claim that Mr.
> > Reti was "certainly the most original player
> > of all time" will not appear in his latest work.
>
> > =A0 -- help bot
>
> You obviously do not know your chess history well.
While this is quite true of Greg Kennedy, the irony of it coming
from Sam Sloan is considerable. Something like Lenin calling Trotsky
"a commie."
> Reti easily was the most original player of all time.
Richard R=E9ti certainly was quite original, but "most original player
of all time"? That's a tall order. In his own time he had considerable
competition from Nimzovitch and Breyer. My own candidate for "most
original" would be Louis Paulsen (1833-1891), who was playing
hypermodern and even post-hypermodern chess back in the mid- to
late1800s. Semyon Alapin (1856-1923) deserves mention too, as well as
William Norwood Potter (1840-1895), who had considerable influence on
the development Steinitz's ideas.
> Consider the
> following game against Emanuel Lasker. Have you ever seen a more
> original game than this? I do not think that this game has ever been
> conclusively analyzed and solved.
Oh, Alekhine did a pretty good job annotating it in the NY 1924
tournament book.
> [Event "?"]
> [Site "New York"]
> [Date "1924.??.??"]
> [Round "16"]
> [White "Reti,Richard"]
> [Black "Lasker,Emanuel"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [ECO "A09"]
>
> 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.b3 Bf5 4.g3 Nf6 5.Bg2 Nbd7 6.Bb2 e6
> 7.O-O Bd6 8.d3 O-O 9.Nbd2 e5 10.cxd5 cxd5 11.Rc1 Qe7 12.Rc2
> a5 13.a4 h6 14.Qa1 Rfe8 15.Rfc1 Bh7 16.Nf1 Nc5 17.Rxc5 Bxc5
> 18.Nxe5 Rac8 19.Ne3 Qe6 20.h3 Bd6 21.Rxc8 Rxc8 22.Nf3 Be7
> 23.Nd4 Qd7 24.Kh2 h5 25.Qh1 h4 26.Nxd5 hxg3+ 27.fxg3 Nxd5
> 28.Bxd5 Bf6 29.Bxb7 Rc5 30.Ba6 Bg6 31.Qb7 Qd8 32.b4 Rc7
> 33.Qb6 Rd7 34.Qxd8+ Rxd8 35.e3 axb4 36.Kg2 Bxd4 37.exd4 Bf5
> 38.Bb7 Be6 39.Kf3 Bb3 40.Bc6 Rd6 41.Bb5 Rf6+ 42.Ke3 Re6+
> 43.Kf4 Re2 44.Bc1 Rc2 45.Be3 Bd5 0-1
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 07:26:20
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 25, 3:08=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 For instance, the ludicrous claim that Mr.
> Reti was "certainly the most original player
> of all time" will not appear in his latest work.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
You obviously do not know your chess history well.
Reti easily was the most original player of all time. Consider the
following game against Emanuel Lasker. Have you ever seen a more
original game than this? I do not think that this game has ever been
conclusively analyzed and solved.
Sam Sloan
[Event "?"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1924.??.??"]
[Round "16"]
[White "Reti,Richard"]
[Black "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A09"]
1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c6 3.b3 Bf5 4.g3 Nf6 5.Bg2 Nbd7 6.Bb2 e6
7.O-O Bd6 8.d3 O-O 9.Nbd2 e5 10.cxd5 cxd5 11.Rc1 Qe7 12.Rc2
a5 13.a4 h6 14.Qa1 Rfe8 15.Rfc1 Bh7 16.Nf1 Nc5 17.Rxc5 Bxc5
18.Nxe5 Rac8 19.Ne3 Qe6 20.h3 Bd6 21.Rxc8 Rxc8 22.Nf3 Be7
23.Nd4 Qd7 24.Kh2 h5 25.Qh1 h4 26.Nxd5 hxg3+ 27.fxg3 Nxd5
28.Bxd5 Bf6 29.Bxb7 Rc5 30.Ba6 Bg6 31.Qb7 Qd8 32.b4 Rc7
33.Qb6 Rd7 34.Qxd8+ Rxd8 35.e3 axb4 36.Kg2 Bxd4 37.exd4 Bf5
38.Bb7 Be6 39.Kf3 Bb3 40.Bc6 Rd6 41.Bb5 Rf6+ 42.Ke3 Re6+
43.Kf4 Re2 44.Bc1 Rc2 45.Be3 Bd5 0-1
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 06:15:52
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 8:39=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 6:52=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 7:08=A0pm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 23, 4:55=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
>
> > > > There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, bu=
t
> > > > that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the original=
.
>
> > > Instead of wholesale copying of the books, why couldn't you produce a
> > > pdf version with hyperlinks to those games in pgn or other format?
>
> > > Or in addition to...
>
> > > I ask because I often now read these old books while looking at the
> > > game on the computer. That maximizes "the literary qualities" while
> > > providing me with the modern technology of looking at the game in a
> > > convenient format (with analytic help nearby). But a pdf that
> > > hyperlinked to games.....
>
> > Every game in Reti's book can be found on chessgames.com of course
> > without Reti's notes.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
> That's something of a non-reply.
>
> A pdf book that linked to chessgames.com or your CB reader would be
> the ideal, and probably a more worthwhile project than serving as a
> copying machine.
If you are suggesting an e-book, unfortunately ebooks do not sell
well. I have a few ebooks. I am lucky to sell one a month. Just about
everybody who has tried the ebook business has quit.
Also, customers will generally not pay more than a dollar for an e-
book. 99 cents will become the industry standard.
Amazon is pushing its Kendall. I do not know how that is working out.
What makes the Reti book great are its literary qualities, the words,
not the chess moves. Somehow I cannot imagine that converting the book
to algebraic would bring in a lot of new buyers.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 00:08:09
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 8:39=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> That's something of a non-reply.
I have noticed that Mr. Sloan often observes
a sort of radio silence when confronted with
his many blunders.
> A pdf book that linked to chessgames.com or your CB reader would be
> the ideal, and probably a more worthwhile project than serving as a
> copying machine.
Indeed, this copying machine tendency has
one often-overlooked advantage-- much of
Mr. Sloan's idiocy is thereby excluded.
For instance, the ludicrous claim that Mr.
Reti was "certainly the most original player
of all time" will not appear in his latest work.
A man who has invented countless lies,
Mr. Sloan is perhaps best kept in the
shadows, as a kind of glorified scan-and-
copy clerk.
Many of the old classics are being
converted over to the universal standard,
to algebraic notation. But there may be
obstacles to overcome, above and beyond
the clerical process itself; modification of
the layout, the words and so forth could
pose legal issues, I suppose.
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 17:39:28
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 6:52=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 7:08=A0pm, SBD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 4:55=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
>
> > > There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, but
> > > that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the original.
>
> > Instead of wholesale copying of the books, why couldn't you produce a
> > pdf version with hyperlinks to those games in pgn or other format?
>
> > Or in addition to...
>
> > I ask because I often now read these old books while looking at the
> > game on the computer. That maximizes "the literary qualities" while
> > providing me with the modern technology of looking at the game in a
> > convenient format (with analytic help nearby). But a pdf that
> > hyperlinked to games.....
>
> Every game in Reti's book can be found on chessgames.com of course
> without Reti's notes.
>
> Sam Sloan
That's something of a non-reply.
A pdf book that linked to chessgames.com or your CB reader would be
the ideal, and probably a more worthwhile project than serving as a
copying machine.
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 16:52:28
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 7:08=A0pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 4:55=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
>
> > There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, but
> > that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the original.
>
> Instead of wholesale copying of the books, why couldn't you produce a
> pdf version with hyperlinks to those games in pgn or other format?
>
> Or in addition to...
>
> I ask because I often now read these old books while looking at the
> game on the computer. That maximizes "the literary qualities" while
> providing me with the modern technology of looking at the game in a
> convenient format (with analytic help nearby). But a pdf that
> hyperlinked to games.....
Every game in Reti's book can be found on chessgames.com of course
without Reti's notes.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 16:08:28
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 4:55=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
>
> There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, but
> that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the original.
Instead of wholesale copying of the books, why couldn't you produce a
pdf version with hyperlinks to those games in pgn or other format?
Or in addition to...
I ask because I often now read these old books while looking at the
game on the computer. That maximizes "the literary qualities" while
providing me with the modern technology of looking at the game in a
convenient format (with analytic help nearby). But a pdf that
hyperlinked to games.....
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 14:55:40
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 5:21=A0pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >It is a great book and, best of all, it provides you with an education
> >because it teaches you descriptive.
>
> I still think in descriptive.
Actually, it is a great book, not because it has a million variations,
deeply analyzed, but because it explains the styles of the great
masters and what enabled them to rise to the top.
In short, the greatness of this book is its literary qualities.
There is a website with the scores of all the games in the book, but
that is not a substitute for the literary qualities of the original.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/092389148X
ISBN 0-923891-48-X
Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 12:59:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 3:41=A0pm, EJAY <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 9:51=A0am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ishi Press is proud to announce the reprinting of Masters of the
> > Chessboard by Richard Reti.
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/dp/092389148X
>
> > Widely regarded as the best chess book ever written, =93Masters of the
> > Chessboard=94, discusses the playing styles of each of the leading
> > grandmasters of history up until that time.
>
> > Richard Reti was one of the strongest and certainly was the most
> > original player of all time. He defeated at least once almost every
> > leading player of his era. He defeated Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe,
> > Rubinstein, Bogoljubov and Tartakower in tournament games.
>
> > He invented new and successful opening systems and brilliant endgame
> > studies.
>
> > He was also a ted and entertaining writer.
>
> > In this book, Reti examines the technique of each of the great masters
> > of his era and explains what enabled them to reach the top levels of
> > competitive chess.
>
> > This 2008 edition includes a new introduction explaining Reti's
> > contributions to modern chess theory.
>
> Hopefully this has algebraic notation.Should be a good book.
It is a great book and, best of all, it provides you with an education
because it teaches you descriptive.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 14:21:00
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
<[email protected] > wrote:
>It is a great book and, best of all, it provides you with an education
>because it teaches you descriptive.
I still think in descriptive.
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 12:41:25
From: EJAY
Subject: Re: Masters of the Chessboard by Richard Reti has just been reprinted
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On Sep 23, 9:51=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Ishi Press is proud to announce the reprinting of Masters of the
> Chessboard by Richard Reti.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/092389148X
>
> Widely regarded as the best chess book ever written, =93Masters of the
> Chessboard=94, discusses the playing styles of each of the leading
> grandmasters of history up until that time.
>
> Richard Reti was one of the strongest and certainly was the most
> original player of all time. He defeated at least once almost every
> leading player of his era. He defeated Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe,
> Rubinstein, Bogoljubov and Tartakower in tournament games.
>
> He invented new and successful opening systems and brilliant endgame
> studies.
>
> He was also a ted and entertaining writer.
>
> In this book, Reti examines the technique of each of the great masters
> of his era and explains what enabled them to reach the top levels of
> competitive chess.
>
> This 2008 edition includes a new introduction explaining Reti's
> contributions to modern chess theory.
Hopefully this has algebraic notation.Should be a good book.
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