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Date: 13 Jan 2009 21:20:36
From: Sanny
Subject: I could not find any mistake in this game
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Here is a game between Help Bot and Easy Level. The game was equal till 37th move where Help Bot took the pawn of Easy Level. Then Help Bot was a pawn up and was able to win in 50 moves. Was there any way to save the Pawn. Since GetClub do not know all end games rules. What was the mistake in End game that GetClub loose that Pawn. Till 35th move the game was quite equal. But suddenly Help Bot got 1 pawn up. Was there any Tactical / Strategy mistake by GetClub? Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM37417&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (easy) -- (help bot) 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{8} 2. c2-c3{0} d7-d5{2} 3. e4-d5{0} Qd8-d5{4} 4. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6} 5. Ng1-f3{92} Nb8-c6{78} 6. Bf1-b5{46} c5-d4{54} 7. Bb5-c6{20} Qd5-c6{70} 8. Qd1-d4{52} Bc8-f5{134} 9. Ke1-g1{0} e7-e6{58} 10. Nf3-e5{44} Qc6-d5{78} 11. Qd4-d5{112} Nf6-d5{16} 12. c3-c4{36} Nd5-b4{32} 13. Nb1-c3{26} f7-f6{114} 14. Nc3-b5{26} f6-e5{46} 15. Nb5-c7{38} Ke8-d7{48} 16. Nc7-a8{20} Bf8-c5{60} 17. Rf1-d1{62} Kd7-c6{34} 18. a2-a3{128} Nb4-c2{30} 19. Ra1-b1{78} Nc2-e3{64} 20. Bc1-e3{24} Bc5-e3{32} 21. f2-e3{40} Bf5-b1{6} 22. Na8-c7{72} Kc6-c7{40} 23. Rd1-b1{84} Rh8-d8{68} 24. Kg1-f2{26} Rd8-d2{30} 25. Kf2-f1{22} Kc7-c6{58} 26. b2-b3{22} Rd2-a2{16} 27. a3-a4{56} a7-a5{254} 28. Rb1-d1{26} Ra2-b2{22} 29. Rd1-d3{20} e5-e4{30} 30. Rd3-d4{20} Rb2-b3{6} 31. Rd4-e4{64} Kc6-d6{96} 32. Re4-d4{40} Kd6-e5{110} 33. Kf1-e2{82} b7-b6{140} 34. Ke2-f3{58} Rb3-b4{46} 35. Rd4-e4{66} Ke5-f6{46} 36. Re4-f4{86} Kf6-e7{22} 37. c4-c5{90} b6-c5{38} 38. h2-h3{22} e6-e5{84} 39. Rf4-e4{76} Ke7-e6{66} 40. Re4-g4{46} Rb4-g4{54} 41. Kf3-g4{54} Ke6-d5{46} 42. Kg4-f3{62} e5-e4{22} 43. Kf3-f2{22} Kd5-c4{28} 44. h3-h4{86} Kc4-d3{16} 45. g2-g4{84} c5-c4{10} 46. g4-g5{22} g7-g6{24} 47. Kf2-g3{38} Kd3-e3{12} 48. Kg3-h3{172} Ke3-f3{38} 49. Kh3-h2{112} e4-e3{8} 50. Kh2-h1{42} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM37417&game=Chess What should GetClub had done to avoid the loss of pawn. What were the wrong moves? Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 08:42:23
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: My Mistakeless Game
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Today again the GetClub Chess was improved. Now beginer Level will play as good as Easy Level. So no need to play with Easy Level Just play with Beginner Level and get same strength. And you save a lot of time. Play with Easy Level only if you want a tough competition. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 23:51:51
From: help bot
Subject: My Mistakeless Game
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On Jan 14, 12:20=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Here is a game between Help Bot and Easy Level. The game was equal > till 37th move where Help Bot took the pawn of Easy Level. I ran this through a quick computer analysis, which indicates that although much of the game was even, I had a big advantage from moves 14 through 19, at which point I blundered horribly. > Then Help Bot was a pawn up and was able to win in 50 moves. > > Was there any way to save the Pawn. Since GetClub do not know all end > games rules. What was the mistake in End game that GetClub loose that > Pawn. > > Till 35th move the game was quite equal. But suddenly Help Bot got 1 > pawn up. Was there any Tactical / Strategy mistake by GetClub? > > Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > help bot: (Black) > easy: (White) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM37417&game= =3DChess Sanny, many chess programs have serious difficulties in handling Rook and pawn endings well. Even Rybka, in one of its recent odds matches against GM Dzindzi., messed up a fairly simple Rook ending! Chess books are filled with examples, culled from grandmaster play, in which very simple winning or drawing ideas were rejected in favor of some hare-brained idea. In fact, at one time certain drawable endings were mistakenly believed by the talking-heads to be wins, simply because Mr. Capablanca did win them, and fairly routinely, against "masters". Let's jump to move 34, where I allowed a "Rook to the seventh rank", along with other active tries like R-h4 or R-g4: 34. Kf3 This prepares to deliver some spite-checks, beginning with 35. Re4+. But you see, the spite will amount to nothing, while the loss of time (one tempo) gives me the initiative! What ought to have happened was a pawn race in which GetClub eats my pawns (on g7 and h7), then runs its h-pawn up the board, while I eat the White pawns (on a4 and c4), and run my a-pawn up the board. I have no idea who wins, because it's too close to call. Whichever side makes an unneccessary move, losing a tempo, may well end up losing the game (or throwing away a draw). Anyway, if both sides play actively, it's very, very close; what the annotators like to call "equal chances". After what happened in the game: 34. Kf3 ...Rb4, Black is on top because the a-pawn falls and that gives me an outside passed pawn (way, way outside because the White King is now on the Kingside). The only way I know of to correct this kind of problem is to *remove* the bonus your program obviously gives for spite-checks; spite-checks are irrelevant. Rybka plays this ending very, very differently, keeping the threats coming at me like bees near a disturbed hive! As of 37. c5, the game is already decided. Any exchange of Rooks along the rank will result in a won King and pawn ending. Even so, after my 38. ...e5, the move 39. Rf5 was much better than going down without a fight. -- help bot
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