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Date: 10 Jan 2006 10:19:29
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Subject: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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I obtained a very strong position as Black in the KID. But I couldnt
figure out how to proceed with the attack. I won only because my
opponent blundered a piece.
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
15. Rad1 Ng4 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
I felt my position was very strong now but coulndnt figure out how to
press home the attack.
22...Nf5 23. Bxf5
Bxf5 24. Rdc3 e4 25. Nd2 Rg5 26. Nxe4? This looses a piece. Qe7 27.
Nf6+
Qxf6
The rest of the game is not important..
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Date: 11 Jan 2006 15:13:39
From: Ken Jones
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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Uh, you left out "en passant" on that one.
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Date: 10 Jan 2006 19:11:18
From: Nick
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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[email protected] wrote:
> I obtained a very strong position as Black in the KID.
This thread's name is incorrect.
The game's opening is *not* a King's Indian Defence.
It's a Pirc Defence (as classified by ChessBase).
> But I couldnt figure out how to proceed with the attack.
> I won only because my opponent blundered a piece.
>
> 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
This opening is a Pirc Defence.
--Nick
> 6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
> f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
> 15. Rad1 Ng4 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
> 19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
>
> I felt my position was very strong now but coulndnt figure out
> how to press home the attack.
>
> 22...Nf5 23. Bxf5 Bxf5 24. Rdc3 e4 25. Nd2 Rg5 26. Nxe4?
> This looses a piece. Qe7 27. Nf6+ Qxf6
>
> The rest of the game is not important.
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Date: 10 Jan 2006 23:18:57
From: Ron
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] wrote:
> 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
> 6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
> f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4
In addition to the fact that you miss the win of material here, I don't
like this move on positional grounds.
The e4 square is really important. A N there does a lot to disrupt your
ability to co-ordinate your pieces in preparation for the attack.
Assuming that white played a more sensible move on his 12th, I think you
need to be improving your development (Nf6, Kh8, Rg8, etc) before you
lunge forward in the center.
I believe it's one of those rule of thumbs for the KID (which I don't
play either side of, so I could be wrong) not to give up control of e4
without strong, specific compensation.
> 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
> 15. Rad1 Ng4
I like Bg4 here, because you'd love it if white co-operated by playing
h3 (giving you a nice target). Give your opponent the opportunity to
play bad moves. Furthermore, Bg4 here discourages Nd2 - redeploying that
N to e4. e4 is such a juicy square for a white knight (thanks to your
12th) that he should be finding a way of getting one there and keeping
it there.
But the bigger problem with Ng4 is simply that I don't know what you're
trying to do with it. What's your plan? Before making speculative moves
like this, finish your development.
> 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
> 19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
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> I felt my position was very strong now but coulndnt figure out how to
> press home the attack.
>
> 22...Nf5
Was this the purpose of all those knight maneuvers? Remember, when
you're attacking, you need to keep pieces on the board. Obviously he's
going to just swap this off here, because it removes a key attacking
piece. Kh8 and Rag8 is a better way to increase the pressure.
If you don't know what to do in a specific situation like this, and you
can't see any clear threats, rather than shuffle your pieces around,
look for ways to increase the pressure. Even Rf8 here (improving the
position of your least active piece is always a good plan if you don't
know what to do) and all of a sudden, notice how you can get a lot of
pressure going against f3 (after an eventual fg.)
I don't know if white can defend this position - I haven't looked very
deeply - but what I do see if you just not trying very hard. Bg4, Rf8,
Nf7-g5 looks like a way to put pressure on white. Put him in a position
where he can make a mistake.
> 23. Bxf5
> Bxf5 24. Rdc3 e4
Again simply Rf8. You're attacking without all your pieces.
> 25. Nd2 Rg5
If you're going to attack, attack. Now e3 opens all sorts of lines
toward the enemy king. This rook move does what, exactly? What's your
plan?
> 26. Nxe4? This looses a piece.
> Qe7 27.
> Nf6+
> Qxf6
27. f3 =.
> The rest of the game is not important..
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Date: 10 Jan 2006 22:52:54
From: Arfur Million
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I obtained a very strong position as Black in the KID. But I couldnt
> figure out how to proceed with the attack. I won only because my
> opponent blundered a piece.
>
> 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
> 6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
> f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
> 15. Rad1 Ng4 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
> 19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
>
> I felt my position was very strong now but coulndnt figure out how to
> press home the attack.
>
In this position - and the game - you had the attack, but white had the
important e4 square and this evened things out a little (white can also
prepare an initiative on the queenside with c5 and place his rooks on the c
file). You could try 222 ... Rf8 followed by Bg4 (and possibly Nf7-g5) in
order to pressurise f3, and I think will continue to be a little better
here, but I doubt if black has a forced win from this position.
> 22...Nf5 23. Bxf5
IMHO, this is an awful move, losing control of the e4 square and making it
all one-way traffic in black's favour. I think white had to put up with a N
on d4 in order to keep a strong piece on e4.
> Bxf5 24. Rdc3 e4 25. Nd2 Rg5 26. Nxe4? This looses a piece. Qe7 27.
> Nf6+
> Qxf6
>
> The rest of the game is not important..
>
Regards,
Arfur
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Date: 11 Jan 2006 05:48:59
From: Martin S
Subject: Re: I crushed a ham sandwich on rye WITH mayo
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Nick wrote:
> Ken Jones wrote:
>> BUT--did you do it in 1 minute?
>> If not, you have NO Grandmaster potential!
>
> Here's a Wikipedia article about Takeru Kobayashi:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeru_Kobayashi
>
"Vomit is not allow to leave the mouth of the contestant"?
I'll stay with chess I think.
tin S
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Date: 11 Jan 2006 23:54:16
From: Arfur Million
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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"David Richerby" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:yyv*[email protected]...
> Arfur Million <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
>>> 6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
>>> f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
>>> 15. Rad1 Ng4 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
>>> 19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
>>
>> [...] You could try 222 ... Rf8 followed by Bg4
>
> I think you've overlooked White's 197.cxb6!! :-)
>
I assumed White would be playing for a draw under the 50 move rule and would
therefore avoid pawn moves ;-)
Regards,
Arfur
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Date: 10 Jan 2006 23:49:45
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: How to conduct an attack in the King's Indian defense...
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En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
> I obtained a very strong position as Black in the KID. But I couldnt
> figure out how to proceed with the attack. I won only because my
> opponent blundered a piece.
>
> 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. Bc4 Bg7 5. Be3 O-O
> 6. Nf3 Ng4 7. Qd3 Nxe3 8. Qxe3 Nd7 9. O-O e5 10. d5
> f5 11. exf5 gxf5 12. Bd3 f4
ooops 12...e4 wins a piece
> 13. Qe4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qe7
> 15. Rad1 Ng4 16. Ne4 Bf6 17. Nxf6+ Qxf6 18. c4 Nh6
> 19. Be4 Rf7 20. Rd3 Rg7 21. Rc1 Bh3 22. g3
>
> I felt my position was very strong now but coulndnt figure out how to
> press home the attack.
>
> 22...Nf5 23. Bxf5
> Bxf5 24. Rdc3 e4 25. Nd2 Rg5
I prefer 25....Re8 black has a better position but white have many
resources yet.
26. Nxe4? This looses a piece. Qe7 27. Nf6+ Qxf6
27.f3 would have allowed white to continue playing.
Sometimes seems there is an strong attack but the defence has many
resources when an imaginative player fights hard.
Maybe a better plan was 24...Bg4 with the idea of Rf8, Rgf7 to press in
the "f" file.
AT
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