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Date: 03 Jul 2006 23:22:15
From: Sanny
Subject: How deep should opening go?
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Opening is very important to gain advantage in Chess, How much deep
Opening should be learnt practically.
The Chess game currently knows Openings till 4 moves (both Black &
White)
Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Will increasing the depth of Opening improve its game or let it play
Middle game after 4 moves?
Currently the game plays Opening moves for four moves if you deviate
then it will start thinking on its own.
Its game has improved much now everyone is playing with Beginner & Easy
level as they get a good game with Easy levels only.
Play with Easy level at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
On looking at recent recorded games, I found now all players are
playing with Easy & Beginner levels.
It was a long time Taylor Kingston beated Normal Level, Now it has
become quite difficult to beat Normal & Master Levels as they use
Openings for first four moves and it is difficult to win once computer
has good position
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 01:36:26
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: How deep should opening go?
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Four moves is more than you'll ever need.
"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Opening is very important to gain advantage in Chess, How much deep
> Opening should be learnt practically.
>
> The Chess game currently knows Openings till 4 moves (both Black &
> White)
>
> Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Will increasing the depth of Opening improve its game or let it play
> Middle game after 4 moves?
>
> Currently the game plays Opening moves for four moves if you deviate
> then it will start thinking on its own.
>
> Its game has improved much now everyone is playing with Beginner & Easy
> level as they get a good game with Easy levels only.
>
> Play with Easy level at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> On looking at recent recorded games, I found now all players are
> playing with Easy & Beginner levels.
>
> It was a long time Taylor Kingston beated Normal Level, Now it has
> become quite difficult to beat Normal & Master Levels as they use
> Openings for first four moves and it is difficult to win once computer
> has good position
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 12:14:57
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How deep should opening go?
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[email protected] wrote:
> > Opening is very important to gain advantage in Chess, How much deep
> > Opening should be learnt practically.
>
> You learn some to 2 moves, and others to 16 moves. Learn them deep
> enough to score an advantage, equalize (if black), bypass tricks,
> and/or get to a position that you understand.
>
> If White knows two moves--"1. e4 a6 2. d4 h6"--that's deep enough to
> defeat most opponents with equal play. However, if Black only knows "1.
> e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6" he's likely going to be crushed after 3. Nxe5.
Some players ignore them entirely and score better than your program.
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 12:11:23
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How deep should opening go?
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> Its game has improved much now everyone is playing with Beginner & Easy
> level as they get a good game with Easy levels only.
No, it's because few players have the patience to wait for your program
to move. It's excruciatingly slow.
> Openings for first four moves and it is difficult to win once computer
> has good position
Four moves won't secure a good position unless your opponent just
learned the rules, or they play a couple games a year.
> Opening is very important to gain advantage in Chess, How much deep
> Opening should be learnt practically.
You learn some to 2 moves, and others to 16 moves. Learn them deep
enough to score an advantage, equalize (if black), bypass tricks,
and/or get to a position that you understand.
If White knows two moves--"1. e4 a6 2. d4 h6"--that's deep enough to
defeat most opponents with equal play. However, if Black only knows "1.
e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6" he's likely going to be crushed after 3. Nxe5.
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 22:54:52
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: How deep should opening go?
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[email protected] wrote:
>>Its game has improved much now everyone is playing with Beginner & Easy
>>level as they get a good game with Easy levels only.
>
>
> No, it's because few players have the patience to wait for your program
> to move. It's excruciatingly slow.
Another example, moves on normal levels sometimes take 10 minutes:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM1678&game=Chess
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 08:36:33
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: How deep should opening go?
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Sanny wrote:
> Opening is very important to gain advantage in Chess, How much deep
> Opening should be learnt practically.
>
> The Chess game currently knows Openings till 4 moves (both Black &
> White)
>
> Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Will increasing the depth of Opening improve its game or let it play
> Middle game after 4 moves?
>
> Currently the game plays Opening moves for four moves if you deviate
> then it will start thinking on its own.
How far it should know the opening should depend on how complicated each
variation that it plays is and whether the program would find decent
moves on its own. 4 moves is not very much at all, even in
non-complicated openings.
> Its game has improved much now everyone is playing with Beginner & Easy
> level as they get a good game with Easy levels only.
>
> Play with Easy level at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> On looking at recent recorded games, I found now all players are
> playing with Easy & Beginner levels.
If you also look at the time it takes for its moves, e.g. in this game
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM1642&game=Chess
then you'll find the explanation.
The program regularly takes 30s to 2min for its moves on the beginner
level, which is supposed to use only 10s. And even the moves it records
as 4s do actually take longer than that, even the 0s moves take a little
bit of time in reality.
And in fact this game is a good advantage of the computer playing a very
complicated opening, where I would have said more than 4 moves of theory
would be needed, however it does not misplay it too badly at all.
> It was a long time Taylor Kingston beated Normal Level, Now it has
> become quite difficult to beat Normal & Master Levels as they use
> Openings for first four moves and it is difficult to win once computer
> has good position
4 moves ensure that? Interesting, why did I ever bother with opening
theory beyond that...
--Bj�rn
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