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Date: 29 Sep 2006 06:36:08
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Subject: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 12:20:00
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Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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John A Swartz wrote:
> I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld
> (the 1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up
> results in a forfeit).
>
Right, Fischer is the idol of Topalov, he dreams himself Bobby Fischer.
The only chance for the match to continue is for Kramnik to cave in to
Topa demands.
I suspect that this will happen tomorrow and afterwards Kramnik will
begin to lose
game after game.
Topa's "toilet gambit" may succeed (Kramnik isn't a great fighter he is
more of a
"thinker") and this match will become the stinkiest, the most
miserable, of the
history of WCC.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 20:54:49
From: Mike
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Amazingly no next game date is announced at
http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp?id=918
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 08:20:01
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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"Mike" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:tKfTg.41813$bf5.13393@edtnps90...
> Amazingly no next game date is announced at
> http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp?id=918
"of utter importance to the whole world'. What a nonsonse.
It's nice to see good games, but if there's too much friction to play, then
fide should just stop trying.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:52:53
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Can you explain Topalov's justification to walk? It looks like after
Kramnik was proven the superior player, Topalov made ridiculous and
unsubstantiated claims that Kramnik was what... using Fritz?!... in the
bathroom and wants someone accompanying Kramnik whenever he uses the
toilet. I imagine that would be embarassing, as Kramnik has diarrhea.
Kramnik wants his own bathroom, as he had since the beginning of the
match. If the players and respective bathrooms are inspected prior to
each game by both teams for hidden equipment and to ensure they're
shielded from radio reception, I don't see any real reason for Topalov
to believe Kramnik is cheating.
It seems like the arbitrators could have found some reasonable way to
settle this--if they had wanted to--instead of giving Topalov a forfeit
win. Argh!! It was an exciting match. I think it's over now... the
world knows Kramnik is better, but Kirsan wants to keep Topalov.
John A Swartz wrote:
> I'm not arguing over who is right or wrong - just saying that I think
> both sides have been given justification to walk at this point.
>
> By the way, Kramnik refused to play game 5 due to the ruling, but don't
> forget that Topalov's team was also protesting the "one bathroom"
> decision - they wanted the assistant arbiter to accompany them when they
> go to the bathroom: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3373
>
> John
>
> PS: So, if the match ends without result, will Kasparov come out of
> retirement to claim the title?
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> > Absence of Kramnik took place after organizers prevented Kramnik to use the
> > bathroom during the game!
> >
> > "John A Swartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>>Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
> >>
> >>Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to play
> >>Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
> >>Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld (the
> >>1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up results
> >>in a forfeit).
> >>
> >>Sad...
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >
> >
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 02:55:09
From: Ron
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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In article <[email protected] >,
"[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Can you explain Topalov's justification to walk? It looks like after
> Kramnik was proven the superior player, Topalov made ridiculous and
> unsubstantiated claims that Kramnik was what... using Fritz?!... in the
> bathroom and wants someone accompanying Kramnik whenever he uses the
> toilet. I imagine that would be embarassing, as Kramnik has diarrhea.
In the age of world-beating computers, both players have an obligation
to be - like Ceasar's wife - above suspicion.
The diarrhea defense doesn't quite make sense. Take some kaopectate.
There's no way you'd have to go after every move, then, unless you have
cholera or dyssentry, in which case no-one could possibly object to a
delay.
I'm not excusing Topalov here, but something doesn't add up.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 14:21:57
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Ron <[email protected] > wrote:
> The diarrhea defense doesn't quite make sense. Take some kaopectate.
> There's no way you'd have to go after every move, then, unless you
> have cholera or dyssentry, in which case no-one could possibly
> object to a delay.
I suspect that, if Kramnik had cholera or dysentery, he wouldn't have
won the first two games. ;-)
Dave.
--
David Richerby Fluorescent Strange Sword (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a razor-sharp blade but
it's totally weird and it'll hurt
your eyes!
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 15:32:23
From: John A Swartz
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Topalov's justification to walk would be if they overturn the Game 5
forfeit. Note - I'm not saying I would agree or disagree with that
decision, but again the Fischer/Spassky match of 1972 set a precendent:
Fischer had a dispute about the match and did not show up for Game 2.
He forfeited that game, and while he did continue the match, the
forfeit of Game 2 was not overturned. Therefore, if the Game 5 forfeit
of the current match is overturned, I expect that Topalov would consider
this "unfair" and pull out. Pure speculation on my part of couse...
John
> Can you explain Topalov's justification to walk? It looks like after
> Kramnik was proven the superior player, Topalov made ridiculous and
> unsubstantiated claims that Kramnik was what... using Fritz?!... in the
> bathroom and wants someone accompanying Kramnik whenever he uses the
> toilet. I imagine that would be embarassing, as Kramnik has diarrhea.
>
> Kramnik wants his own bathroom, as he had since the beginning of the
> match. If the players and respective bathrooms are inspected prior to
> each game by both teams for hidden equipment and to ensure they're
> shielded from radio reception, I don't see any real reason for Topalov
> to believe Kramnik is cheating.
>
> It seems like the arbitrators could have found some reasonable way to
> settle this--if they had wanted to--instead of giving Topalov a forfeit
> win. Argh!! It was an exciting match. I think it's over now... the
> world knows Kramnik is better, but Kirsan wants to keep Topalov.
>
> John A Swartz wrote:
>
>>I'm not arguing over who is right or wrong - just saying that I think
>>both sides have been given justification to walk at this point.
>>
>>By the way, Kramnik refused to play game 5 due to the ruling, but don't
>>forget that Topalov's team was also protesting the "one bathroom"
>>decision - they wanted the assistant arbiter to accompany them when they
>>go to the bathroom: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3373
>>
>>John
>>
>>PS: So, if the match ends without result, will Kasparov come out of
>>retirement to claim the title?
>>
>>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Absence of Kramnik took place after organizers prevented Kramnik to use the
>>>bathroom during the game!
>>>
>>>"John A Swartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
>>>>
>>>>Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to play
>>>>Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
>>>>Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld (the
>>>>1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up results
>>>>in a forfeit).
>>>>
>>>>Sad...
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 18:00:38
From: Mike
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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A graceful math has reached such a disgraceful condition in the hands of
incompetent organizers.
<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It seems like the arbitrators could have found some reasonable way to
> settle this--if they had wanted to--instead of giving Topalov a forfeit
> win. Argh!! It was an exciting match. I think it's over now... the
> world knows Kramnik is better, but Kirsan wants to keep Topalov.
>
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:48:54
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Mike <[email protected] > wrote:
> A graceful math has reached such a disgraceful condition in the
> hands of incompetent organizers.
You can't put all the blame with the organizers. They wouldn't have
done anything if Topalov's team hadn't been prepared to gamble $5,000
on a complaint that Kramnik spends too much time in the toilet.
That's not exactly exemplary behaviour.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Erotic Flower (TM): it's like a flower
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ but it's genuinely erotic!
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 20:52:57
From: Mike
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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They can install some electronic device in toilets so if a user tries to use
a cell phone or mobile Fritz it sounds huge alarms like hell all over the
tournament area!
"David Richerby" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:QBp*[email protected]...
> Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>> A graceful math has reached such a disgraceful condition in the
>> hands of incompetent organizers.
>
> You can't put all the blame with the organizers. They wouldn't have
> done anything if Topalov's team hadn't been prepared to gamble $5,000
> on a complaint that Kramnik spends too much time in the toilet.
> That's not exactly exemplary behaviour.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> David Richerby Erotic Flower (TM): it's like a
> flower
> www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ but it's genuinely erotic!
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 11:21:06
From: John A Swartz
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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> Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to
play Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld
(the 1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up
results in a forfeit).
Sad...
John
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:09:13
From: LSD
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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At the approximate date and time Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:21:06 -0400,
someone posting as John A Swartz <[email protected] > posted:
>> Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
>
>Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to
>play Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
>Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld
>(the 1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up
>results in a forfeit).
>
>Sad...
>
>John
I think it's all a grand ploy staged to get some media attention for
the match and chess generally...not unlike the Fischer-Spassky match.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 15:50:16
From: Mike
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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Absence of Kramnik took place after organizers prevented Kramnik to use the
bathroom during the game!
"John A Swartz" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
>
> Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to play
> Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
> Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld (the
> 1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up results
> in a forfeit).
>
> Sad...
>
> John
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 13:18:01
From: John A Swartz
Subject: Re: HUGE NEWS!!! Kramnik Forfeits Game # 5
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I'm not arguing over who is right or wrong - just saying that I think
both sides have been given justification to walk at this point.
By the way, Kramnik refused to play game 5 due to the ruling, but don't
forget that Topalov's team was also protesting the "one bathroom"
decision - they wanted the assistant arbiter to accompany them when they
go to the bathroom: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3373
John
PS: So, if the match ends without result, will Kasparov come out of
retirement to claim the title?
Mike wrote:
> Absence of Kramnik took place after organizers prevented Kramnik to use the
> bathroom during the game!
>
> "John A Swartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>Brief details here: http://www.rookhouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
>>
>>Well, I predict this will be the end of the match. Kramnik wanted to play
>>Game 5 today and will no doubt walk out if the forfeit is upheld.
>>Meanwhile, I assume Topalov would walk if the forfeit was not upheld (the
>>1972 Fischer-Spassky match sets the precedence that not showing up results
>>in a forfeit).
>>
>>Sad...
>>
>>John
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