Go is vastly better than chess

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Date: 17 Mar 2005 06:10:51
From:
Subject: Go is vastly better than chess

Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
play.

If only it didn't have such a gay name.

Date: 25 Mar 2005 07:55:57
From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.
>
> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

Date: 25 Mar 2005 07:55:10
From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.
>
> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

i think your very right it does have a gay name

Date: 23 Mar 2005 10:14:22
From: Liam Too
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than changing a light bulb

bellatori wrote:
> How many existential philosophers does it take to change a light
bulb?
>
> The answer is, of course.... Fish!?

Nope, the answer is none. They're still debating the existence of a
light bulb and a fish and most are convinced that these two do not
exist.

Date: 20 Mar 2005 16:36:17
From: rfractal30
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> >play.
>
> To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess,
please go
> here -
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rod_raza_2003/Shogi_vs_Go.html
>
> RAZA 2005

I'm not sure we should be taking the above arguments too seriously, as
the author is also comparing stratego favourably with shogi. This can't
be arguing the case for shogi well!

Michael

Date: 22 Mar 2005 23:40:06
From: Lawrence Wong From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

"rfractal30" <[email protected] > writes:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>> >Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>> >play.
>>
>> To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess,
>please go
>> here -
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/rod_raza_2003/Shogi_vs_Go.html
>>
>> RAZA 2005

>I'm not sure we should be taking the above arguments too seriously, as
>the author is also comparing stratego favourably with shogi. This can't
>be arguing the case for shogi well!

I was comparing the "fun factor" of the two :)

If you want a cool/comic Go/Shogi debate then I recommend this site

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ny3k-kbys/contents/hibiya.html#chap8

RAZA 2005

Date: 20 Mar 2005 14:45:14
From: bellatori
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

It suddenly came to me how to sum up my feelings about this thread.... Do
you remember the following joke? A little thought might show why I think
it is appropriate.....

How many existential philosophers does it take to change a light bulb?

The answer is, of course.... Fish!?

Date: 19 Mar 2005 13:15:50
From: David Ames
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.
>
> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

Fish is better than meat.
Atheism is better than paganism.
Tuvalu is better than Vanuatu.
Four legs are better than two.
Chess is better than go.

.. and I have no idea what might be a "gay" name, excepting Gay-Lussac.

David Ames

Date: 20 Mar 2005 17:57:12
From: To ja Wento
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

David Ames wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>>play.
>>
>>If only it didn't have such a gay name.
>
>
> Fish is better than meat.
> Atheism is better than paganism.
> Tuvalu is better than Vanuatu.
> Four legs are better than two.
> Chess is better than go.
>
> .. and I have no idea what might be a "gay" name, excepting Gay-Lussac.
>
> David Ames
>
At last somebody summed the feelings I had about this whole thread
(which I just read). Fascinating reading it was (the thread) if
somewhat unreasonable as you pointed out.
well done.

//

--
we are all genius
until we say "oh my gawd!"

Date: 19 Mar 2005 21:47:47
From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

On 19 2005 13:15:50 -0800, "David Ames" <[email protected] >
wrote:

>Chess is better than go.

For those who know how to play chess but not go.

-- Roy L

Date: 19 Mar 2005 12:15:37
From: Predictor
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.

Yes, just as red is vastly better than blue.

Date: 18 Mar 2005 20:16:59
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: weiqi (wei chi) / Re: Go is vastly better than chess

Nick wrote:

> So it's still useful to know that Go can be known as
> 'wei chi' in Chinese; but it's more generally useful
> to know that *now* usually it's known as 'weiqi'.
>
> [...]
>
> In short, 'weiqi' evidently has become more common
> than 'wei chi' as the romanized Chinese name for Go.

Thank you. From now on I will write "weiqi", and
only in paretheses "(wei chi)", i.e.

weiqi (wei chi)

just as I write "Du Fu (Tu Fu)", "Li Bai (Li Po)",
etc.

Wlod

Date: 19 Mar 2005 18:19:31
From: Roy Schmidt
Subject: Re: weiqi (wei chi) / Re: Go is vastly better than chess

"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote:

> Thank you. From now on I will write "weiqi", and
> only in paretheses "(wei chi)", i.e.
>
> weiqi (wei chi)

If you insist on this, then do it correctly:

weiqi (wei-ch'i)

Your "wei chi" in Wade-Giles would be rendered "wei ji" in pinyin.

> just as I write "Du Fu (Tu Fu)", "Li Bai (Li Po)",

Li Bai is Li Pai in Wade-Giles. His alternative name, Li Bo is Li Po
in Wade-Giles.

Cheers, Roy

--
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Part-time Translator for Yutopian
Full-time Professor of Business Computer Systems
Bradley University

Date: 18 Mar 2005 18:49:03
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) wrote:
> cwocwo wrote (of Go):
> > If only it didn't have such a gay name.
>
> That's your problem only (solve it
> by using "wei chi" as the name).

This post addresses a point about the Chinese language
and its 'romanization'. In the usage of Chinese outside
of Taiwan, 'wei chi' (as recommended above) has become
*outdated* as the romanized name for Go. 'Weiqi' has become
the international standard romanized Chinese name for it.

In Chinese, the game of Go is called 'wei chi' according
to the older Wade-Giles romanization and 'weiqi' according
to the newer Pinyin romanization. Pinyin was officially
adopted by the People's Republic of China in 1979 and it
long has been accepted nearly everywhere outside of Taiwan
as *the* international standard for romanizing Chinese.
The International Organization for Standardization (ISO)
and the US Library of Congress use Pinyin, not Wade-Giles.

It's true that Wade-Giles romanizations (such as 'wei chi')
are still used in books published in Taiwan and in the books
published elsewhere before about 1980 (when the general
international conversion to Pinyin had begun). For an
example, Scott Boorman wrote a book, "The Protracted Game:
A Wei-Ch'i Intepretation of Maoist Revolutionary Strategy",
which was published by Oxford University Press in 1969.
So it's still useful to know that Go can be known as
'wei chi' in Chinese; but it's more generally useful
to know that *now* usually it's known as 'weiqi'.

(There might still be a few political fanatics who would
object to using Pinyin on the grounds that it could imply
some recognition of the Communist government in China.)

In short, 'weiqi' evidently has become more common
than 'wei chi' as the romanized Chinese name for Go.

--Nick

Date: 18 Mar 2005 17:10:31
From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] writes:
>Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>play.
>
>If only it didn't have such a gay name.

No - you're thinking of badduck:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1432991,00.html
http://www.nmr.nl/deins815.htm
--
J.E.H.Shaw [Ewart Shaw] [email protected] TEL: +44 2476 523069
Department of Statistics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/statsdept http://www.ewartshaw.co.uk
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Date: 17 Mar 2005 15:23:25
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] wrote:

> Go is far more subtle than chess,

Indeed, when the score is between 3 and 6
points in black's favor then it is not
clear who won (the players are well matched).
Formally, the treshold is... hm, I don't
remember, 4.5 points? (meaning that +4 for
black means a win for white, while +5 wins
for black).

> and a much more satisfying game to play.

That's a subjective issue. Many people
like bridge better (not to mention activities
which do not involve a chess board or cards).

> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

That's your problem only (solve it by
using "wei chi" as the name).

Wlod

Date: 17 Mar 2005 19:59:38
From: Lawrence Wong From:
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

[email protected] writes:

>Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>play.

To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess, please go
here -

http://www.geocities.com/rod_raza_2003/Shogi_vs_Go.html

RAZA 2005

Date: 21 Mar 2005 12:15:43
From: Luigi Caselli
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

"Lawrence Wong From:" <[email protected] > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> >play.
>
> To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess, please go
> here -
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rod_raza_2003/Shogi_vs_Go.html

Chess is too simple for you (not for me), and also Go... and soon you will
be bored of Shogi too...
If you want a really interesting one go to www.arimaa.com
Very complicated and very ugly...

Luigi Caselli

Date: 17 Mar 2005 14:44:50
From: Michael Alford
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

Lawrence Wong From: wrote:

> To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess, please go
> here -
>

I think you misunderstand, this is a game discussion group, not a
fantasy group.

Date: 17 Mar 2005 21:15:32
From: Hans J�rgen Lassen
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

"Lawrence Wong From:" wrote:

>>Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>>play.
>
> To read arguments as to why Shogi is bettern than Go and Chess, please go
> here -

Well, I am a simple man with simple needs. Shelter, food, a loving wife, and
an old worn chess set, with some fine books by the masters to go with it,
that about covers the fundamentals, when the grandchildren are not around.
I wish you much happiness with Shogi, Go or whatever you might prefer.
HansJ

Date: 17 Mar 2005 13:14:00
From: bellatori
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

It always saddens me when someone is so blinkered that they cannot
appreciate the joy of diversity.

Go is certainly different from Chess but then so is the game of sprouts.

Better? Not to me but then to my children at 7 or 8 snap is more fun.

Were I of a sarcastic bent I might have simply replied to your intemperate
comment by

"Yup, great air race game... one of Waddingtons best"

Bellatori

Date: 17 Mar 2005 16:17:23
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.
>
> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

I completely agree, ... people interested in go is more satisfied and
devotes most part of his spare time studying go and not sending stupid
messages to unsatisfied chess lovers!!

GO "go" sites please!
AT

Date: 17 Mar 2005 16:29:19
From: Hans J�rgen Lassen
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

"Antonio Torrecillas" wrote:

> En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
>> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
>> play.
>>
>> If only it didn't have such a gay name.
>
> I completely agree, ... people interested in go is more satisfied and
> devotes most part of his spare time studying go and not sending stupid
> messages to unsatisfied chess lovers!!

How very splendid! So why dont you just go and play GO?
HansJ

Date: 17 Mar 2005 14:12:46
From: Luigi Caselli
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

<[email protected] > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying game to
> play.
>
> If only it didn't have such a gay name.

So we can call it StronGo... it's really a powerful name... :-)

Luigi Caselli

Date: 17 Mar 2005 14:21:38
From: -
Subject: Re: Go is vastly better than chess

> <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio:
>> Go is far more subtle than chess, and a much more satisfying
>> game to play. ... If only it didn't have such a gay name.

Another opportunity for popular prejudicial bigotry? Anybody
who wishes to denigrate Chess is invited for tournament competition.

"Luigi Caselli" <[email protected] > wrote:
> So we can call it StronGo... it's really a powerful name... :-)

Changing a name doesn't change what it is. Go Servers
first began from rudimentary Chess Servers. Q.E.D. :-)

- regards
- jb

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