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Date: 17 Nov 2008 21:47:36
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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GetClub Master Level lost this game in just 30 moves. What was the
wrong move by GetClub?
As per Peter 19. Bxe6 was the wrong move But I do not see any loss in
that move as by that Black gets 2 double Pawns. So It was good for
white to exchange the Bishops and make Blacks pawn double.
But after that Black align its Rooks on the "f " file and Started a
huge attack on the King side.
Was there any way to prevent that attack?
Game Played between peter and master at GetClub.com
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peter: (Black)
master: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30694&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(master) -- (peter)
1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{46}
2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{6}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{6}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860} Rf8-f4{20}
25. Qa6-a8{454} Kg8-h7{126}
26. Qa8-e8{424} Rh3-h1{30}
27. Kg1-h1{0} Rf4-h4{8}
28. Kh1-g1{0} Qg6-g3{18}
29. Qe8-g6{0} Kh7-g6{8}
30. b3-b4{0}
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peter: (Black)
master: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30694&game=Chess
After the Black Rook take the h3 pawn the game was totally in favour
of Black.
Can Crafty see the loss in 19. Bxe6 After how many depth & time this
loss is seen by Crafty?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 19 Nov 2008 22:00:00
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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> >> 20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
> >> 21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
> >> 22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
> >> 23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
> >> 24. Qe2-a6{1860}
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> > Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
> > seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?
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> I think they are *minutes*
No they are seconds.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 19 Nov 2008 06:03:24
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
> 6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
> 7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
> 8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
> 9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
> 10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
> 11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
> 12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
> 13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
> 14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
> 15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
> 16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
> 17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
> 18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
> 19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
> 20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
> 21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
> 22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
> 23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
> 24. Qe2-a6{1860} Rf8-f4{20}
> 25. Qa6-a8{454} Kg8-h7{126}
> 26. Qa8-e8{424} Rh3-h1{30}
Peter Glaurang has been awarded the Patientest Player of the Year
Award, even though he did smash his computer monitor during the game.
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Date: 18 Nov 2008 03:31:36
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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On Nov 18, 1:30=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > 19. Bc4-e6{782}
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> That surely was a clinker. You see iy quite often in the Giouco Piano,
> where white has a B on b3, and black plays Be6. White should not take.
Why should White not take the Bishop at e6? Black gets Double Pawns So
is it not a loss to black?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Nov 2008 03:30:18
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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> Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
> seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?- Hide quoted text -
Yes those are time taken in seconds.
Beginner Level Plays in 10 sec / move
Easy Level Plays in 40 sec / move
Normal Level Plays in 160 sec / move
Master Level Plays in 640 sec / move
So it was Master Level taking 10 min per move while Glaurang taking 2
sec / move.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 18 Nov 2008 00:30:56
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 19. Bc4-e6{782}
That surely was a clinker. You see iy quite often in the Giouco Piano,
where white has a B on b3, and black plays Be6. White should not take.
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Date: 18 Nov 2008 00:27:14
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
> 7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
> 8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
> 9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
> 10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
> 11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
> 12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
> 13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
> 14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
> 15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
> 16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
> 17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
> 18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
> 19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
> 20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
> 21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
> 22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
> 23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
> 24. Qe2-a6{1860}
Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?
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Date: 19 Nov 2008 21:40:20
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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Offramp wrote:
> On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> 6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
>> 7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
>> 8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
>> 9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
>> 10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
>> 11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
>> 12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
>> 13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
>> 14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
>> 15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
>> 16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
>> 17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
>> 18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
>> 19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
>> 20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
>> 21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
>> 22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
>> 23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
>> 24. Qe2-a6{1860}
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> Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
> seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?
I think they are *minutes*
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 18 Nov 2008 07:06:19
From: Peter Osterlund
Subject: Re: GetClub Master level lost to Glaurang
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Sanny <[email protected] > writes:
> White -- Black
> (master) -- (peter)
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> 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{46}
> 2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{6}
> 3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{6}
> 4. Nf3-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
> 5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
> 6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
> 7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
> 8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
> 9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
> 10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
> 11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
> 12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
> 13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
> 14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
> 15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
> 16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
> 17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
> 18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
> 19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
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> Can Crafty see the loss in 19. Bxe6 After how many depth & time this
> loss is seen by Crafty?
Crafty never considers playing Bxe6. The first output shown during
analysis is after 6 ply and 70ms:
6 0.07 -0.41 19. Bb3 Qf6 20. Nf5 d5 21. Ne3
It later changes its mind to c3 and then b3, but never Bxe6.
After Bxe6 crafty immediately sees a big advantage for black:
9 0.08 -1.18 19. ... fxe6 20. Rd2 Rf4 21. Nf1 Qxe4
22. Qxe4 Rxe4 23. Ng3 Rf4
A little later it reports:
19 37.33 -1.42 19. ... fxe6 20. Nh1 Rf4 21. c3 Rxe4
22. Kh2 Kh7 23. Ng3 Ra4 24. Qxg6+ Kxg6
25. a3 d5 26. f3 Kf6 27. Nh5+ Kf7 28.
b4 Bb6 29. bxa5 Rxa5
So it thinks black is 1.42 pawns ahead.
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Peter Osterlund - [email protected]
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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