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Date: 22 Aug 2007 02:19:27
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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Yesterday GetClub Chess came Online after a few improvements. I tried to test it against Ludoplayer which says itself as Worlds Strongest Game. Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html I tried playing and to my Surprise GetClub.com Beginner Level beat the Ludoplayer. I am typing below the Game Played between Beginner Level and Ludochess. If Beginner is so good then how good are Easy Level Normal Level Master Level and Advance Levels. I feel the Players will get tough Competition with even the Beginner Level. I played 7 Games and Lost all of them. Then I used Worlds Strongest Game against GetClub Begineer Level and to my surprise The GetClub.com Won the Game.!!!. Here is the Game Played. Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html White: GetClub.com (Beginner Level) Black: Ludo Chess Recorded Game at: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7573&game=Chess 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 c5 4. Bg5 Qb6 5. Nf3 Qb2 6. Nb5 Bh6 7.Bh6 e5 8. e5 Ng4 9. Bg7 Rg8 10. Qb1 Qb1 11. Rb1 Na6 12.Bf6 Kf8 13. Nd6 h6 14. e4 Nb4 15. Rb2 b6 16. Bd8 Nc6 17. Bh4 Ne5 18. Be2 Nf3 19. f3 g5 20. Nc8 Rc8 21. Bg3 Nd4 22. Be5 Ne2 23. Re2 Ke7 24. Bg3 Rc6 25. h4 Re6 26. g5 g5 27. Rh7 a6 28. Rd2 Rf6 29. Bc7 Rc6 30. Be5 Re6 31. Rg7 Rg7 32. Bg7 f5 33. Rd5 e4 34. Rg5 f3 35. Re5 b5 36. b5 Re5 37. Be5 b5 38. Kd2 d5 39. Bb2 Ke6 40. Kd3 Kf5 41. a4 a4 42. Ba3 c4 43. Kd4 Ke6 44. Bb4 c3 45. Bc3 a3 46. Kc5 a2 47. Bd4 Kf5 48. Kd5 Kg4 49. Ke4 Kh5 50. Kf3 Kg5 51. Ke4 Kg6 52. f4 Kf7 53. Ke5 Kg6 54. f5 Kf7 55. Kd6 Kf8 56. Ke6 Kg8 57. f6 Kh8 58. f7 Kh7 59. f8(Q) a1(Q) 60. Qg7 (CHECK MATE) Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7573&game=Chess (White Wins.) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html And this is how GetClub.com beats worlds Strongest Game. So have fun. Higher Levels will play even stronger than it. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 08:41:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 11:28 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:19 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 > > > Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not > > > work on your computer? > > > > You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to > > > play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can > > > Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. > > > I had trouble with the long winded process of signing > > up and starting a game. First, I failed to correctly > > recall my old password, and had to have it emailed to > > me. Then, after entering the correct password, it was > > unclear how to get to thechessprogram, to start a > > game; I wandered around the Web site a while, but > > finally managed to get there, somehow. > > > Even though I had been allowed "in" via my password, > > it still would not seem t let me play a game until I > > created a new handle, which only happened because > > the screen for this popped up in my face. What the > > heck? I was not getting anywhere so I added or > > created "help bot", and eventually a screen appeared, > > asking which color I wanted. > > > Other Web sites are annoying in this way too, > > demanding you join or login with an email thrown into > > the mix, but other Web sites do not seem to have the > > inconsistent jumping around at random thatGetClub > > entails. And the randomized disconnects are really > > annoying. I suspect that, as discussed many months > > ago, your Web site does not conform to certain > > standards, and is essentially buggy. Don't feel bad -- > > Microsoft is number one in the world, and they have > > always produced buggy software. > > > -- help bot > > I found it impossible to play a game. After clicking on the "start a > new game" link, no board appeared. Where the board would normally be, > was just a blank space with a small "x" in the upper left corner.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes I got the Problem It will be rectified Soon. Bye Sanny
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 08:36:37
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 24, 7:57 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > On Aug 24, 9:46 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It means Java is not installed on your System.. Since others are able > > > to play the game this is what I think. > > > Not so; Java _is_ on my system. > > Java loads on my system, but I am using the > Firefox browser, so maybe there is some issue > with the version of Java which auto-loads and > the version of Firefox and my OS. > > Here's the thing: I have no such troubles on > otherchessWeb sites, regardless. (That's a > clue, Sanny). > > -- help bot Are you still unable to login to Play Chess Game? Yesterday you told you played some game Bye Sanny Play Chess at http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 07:57:50
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 24, 9:46 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > > It means Java is not installed on your System.. Since others are able > > to play the game this is what I think. > > Not so; Java _is_ on my system. Java loads on my system, but I am using the Firefox browser, so maybe there is some issue with the version of Java which auto-loads and the version of Firefox and my OS. Here's the thing: I have no such troubles on other chess Web sites, regardless. (That's a clue, Sanny). -- help bot
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 07:46:17
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 24, 1:40 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > On Aug 23, 11:28 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 23, 3:19 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 > > > > Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not > > > > work on your computer? > > > > > You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to > > > > play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can > > > > Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. > > > > I had trouble with the long winded process of signing > > > up and starting a game. First, I failed to correctly > > > recall my old password, and had to have it emailed to > > > me. Then, after entering the correct password, it was > > > unclear how to get to thechessprogram, to start a > > > game; I wandered around the Web site a while, but > > > finally managed to get there, somehow. > > > > Even though I had been allowed "in" via my password, > > > it still would not seem t let me play a game until I > > > created a new handle, which only happened because > > > the screen for this popped up in my face. What the > > > heck? I was not getting anywhere so I added or > > > created "help bot", and eventually a screen appeared, > > > asking which color I wanted. > > > > Other Web sites are annoying in this way too, > > > demanding you join or login with an email thrown into > > > the mix, but other Web sites do not seem to have the > > > inconsistent jumping around at random thatGetClub > > > entails. And the randomized disconnects are really > > > annoying. I suspect that, as discussed many months > > > ago, your Web site does not conform to certain > > > standards, and is essentially buggy. Don't feel bad -- > > > Microsoft is number one in the world, and they have > > > always produced buggy software. > > > > -- help bot > > > I found it impossible to play a game. After clicking on the "start a > > new game" link, no board appeared. Where the board would normally be, > > was just a blank space with a small "x" in the upper left corner.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > It means Java is not installed on your System.. Since others are able > to play the game this is what I think. Not so; Java _is_ on my system.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 22:40:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 11:28 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, help bot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 3:19 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 > > > Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not > > > work on your computer? > > > > You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to > > > play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can > > > Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. > > > I had trouble with the long winded process of signing > > up and starting a game. First, I failed to correctly > > recall my old password, and had to have it emailed to > > me. Then, after entering the correct password, it was > > unclear how to get to thechessprogram, to start a > > game; I wandered around the Web site a while, but > > finally managed to get there, somehow. > > > Even though I had been allowed "in" via my password, > > it still would not seem t let me play a game until I > > created a new handle, which only happened because > > the screen for this popped up in my face. What the > > heck? I was not getting anywhere so I added or > > created "help bot", and eventually a screen appeared, > > asking which color I wanted. > > > Other Web sites are annoying in this way too, > > demanding you join or login with an email thrown into > > the mix, but other Web sites do not seem to have the > > inconsistent jumping around at random thatGetClub > > entails. And the randomized disconnects are really > > annoying. I suspect that, as discussed many months > > ago, your Web site does not conform to certain > > standards, and is essentially buggy. Don't feel bad -- > > Microsoft is number one in the world, and they have > > always produced buggy software. > > > -- help bot > > I found it impossible to play a game. After clicking on the "start a > new game" link, no board appeared. Where the board would normally be, > was just a blank space with a small "x" in the upper left corner.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It means Java is not installed on your System.. Since others are able to play the game this is what I think. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 11:28:12
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote: > On Aug 23, 3:19 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 > > Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not > > work on your computer? > > > You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to > > play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can > > Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. > > I had trouble with the long winded process of signing > up and starting a game. First, I failed to correctly > recall my old password, and had to have it emailed to > me. Then, after entering the correct password, it was > unclear how to get to the chess program, to start a > game; I wandered around the Web site a while, but > finally managed to get there, somehow. > > Even though I had been allowed "in" via my password, > it still would not seem t let me play a game until I > created a new handle, which only happened because > the screen for this popped up in my face. What the > heck? I was not getting anywhere so I added or > created "help bot", and eventually a screen appeared, > asking which color I wanted. > > Other Web sites are annoying in this way too, > demanding you join or login with an email thrown into > the mix, but other Web sites do not seem to have the > inconsistent jumping around at random that GetClub > entails. And the randomized disconnects are really > annoying. I suspect that, as discussed many months > ago, your Web site does not conform to certain > standards, and is essentially buggy. Don't feel bad -- > Microsoft is number one in the world, and they have > always produced buggy software. > > -- help bot I found it impossible to play a game. After clicking on the "start a new game" link, no board appeared. Where the board would normally be, was just a blank space with a small "x" in the upper left corner.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:29:06
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 3:19 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 > Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not > work on your computer? > > You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to > play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can > Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. I had trouble with the long winded process of signing up and starting a game. First, I failed to correctly recall my old password, and had to have it emailed to me. Then, after entering the correct password, it was unclear how to get to the chess program, to start a game; I wandered around the Web site a while, but finally managed to get there, somehow. Even though I had been allowed "in" via my password, it still would not seem t let me play a game until I created a new handle, which only happened because the screen for this popped up in my face. What the heck? I was not getting anywhere so I added or created "help bot", and eventually a screen appeared, asking which color I wanted. Other Web sites are annoying in this way too, demanding you join or login with an email thrown into the mix, but other Web sites do not seem to have the inconsistent jumping around at random that GetClub entails. And the randomized disconnects are really annoying. I suspect that, as discussed many months ago, your Web site does not conform to certain standards, and is essentially buggy. Don't feel bad -- Microsoft is number one in the world, and they have always produced buggy software. -- help bot
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:16:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 2:59 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > ... Bh6?? > > > This move just gives away a piece for no reason. > > Even blindfold, I could see that. Could this be a > > case of operator error, or a software malfunction? > > There was no move which could save Black at this point. I found The > other move of King to save the fork was also not as good. Even so, Black should put up his strongest defense and not give away anything; White must be forced to "pry it from cold, dead hands". > And how the Queen could be trapped please tell those moves? It's complicated on account of all the other things going on. White can play p-a3, removing the b4 square as a safe retreat. Generally speaking, the Rook will do the attacking of the Queen, and so Black will get at least a Rook for his Queen. Going after the *undeveloped* Rook on h8 makes it harder to trap the Queen, if not impossible, since the Bishop was the preferred piece to interpose at d2 on any Queen check at c3 or b4 as she flees the White Rook's attacks or even an attack by one of the White Knights. When I tried Jester several months ago, it played very well and never gave away any pieces like you say it did against your program. So what is this Ludochess you keep talking about, and when you test your own program, do you avert the problems by playing the program on your own computer, as one might do with Fritz or Shredder? On my computer, the Java applet is very slow to load and has intermittent "issues", like speeding up and slowing down, or just freezing. -- help bot
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:30:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> After some trouble logging on, having forgotten my > old password, etc., etc., I finally get a game going > under a new handle (help bot). The program seems You can getback your old Profile by Updating your Username http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username At above site Login and Change your username to nomorechess and then you can use your Old Account. Or Just Signup a new Account with username nomorechess. Bye Sanny.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:19:18
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> To sum up, the program is too weak for me, and > the other site issues are not worth all the trouble it > takes to play half of one game, only to get > disconnected at random (or perhaps because I was > winning?). > I found your Game was not recorded. However I could find arround 10 Games played by other people. So I do not understand why it do not work on your computer? You took a new username Thats the reasion you were only allowed to play Beginner & Easy Levels. Once you win 2-3 games with them you can Play with Normal. And then Master and Then Advance Levels. Beginner & Easy Levels are for newcommers. For you Normal & Master will be challenging. I saw recorded games at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html Played by other Players. I found yesterday few players played, but all played with beginner Level which plays in 2-10 seconds. But as you are good players I think you should beat 2-3 games and play with Higher Levels. The Game Resource Hog problem was removed. The Game Play will also be improved by looking at your suggestions. Did you find the Program using less resources or not? Bye Sanny.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:02:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> > But enough about ratings. Your real problem is > that you are attempting to charge money to play > games, which is a strategy that won't work. Look > at the other sites on the Web: they allow non- > members to play for free, but hit them with a ton My site gives Prizes every month. So if you are a good player among Top 10. You virtually get Games for Free. You can play 100s of games at site without paying for free if you are good player. If you are not good enough then only you need to purchase more games. So my site gives free games to Top Players. For weak players they can play 30 Games for Free. That is enough I think. Bye Sanny. Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 00:59:01
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> ... Bh6?? > > This move just gives away a piece for no reason. > Even blindfold, I could see that. Could this be a > case of operator error, or a software malfunction? There was no move which could save Black at this point. I found The other move of King to save the fork was also not as good. And how the Queen could be trapped please tell those moves? Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 00:56:30
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 23, 12:30 am, "Ruud" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Sanny" <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnews:[email protected]... > > >> I'm just hoping he's not making up lists himself to 'prove' he's better > >> than > >> the rest. > > > Surely I do not know about those games. There are lots and lots of > > Chess games arround. > > > So I would say, It was First Time GetClub Chess beat any other Chess > > Program. Earlier It was unable to beat even me. Now it is beating even > > other Chess Programs. May be later It challenges the Toppers. > > As you yourself hopefully understand: it's not saying a lot if your program > beats another program (or beats you for that matter). > Telling apart selfproclaimed top-programmers from actual ones is what > matters, and you seem to have failed there by not producing an worthy > opponent in your 'strongest game' statement. Yes, Thats my mistake. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 15:21:37
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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"Sanny" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht news:[email protected]... > On Aug 23, 12:30 am, "Ruud" <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Sanny" <[email protected]> schreef in >> berichtnews:[email protected]... >> >> >> I'm just hoping he's not making up lists himself to 'prove' he's >> >> better >> >> than >> >> the rest. >> >> > Surely I do not know about those games. There are lots and lots of >> > Chess games arround. >> >> > So I would say, It was First Time GetClub Chess beat any other Chess >> > Program. Earlier It was unable to beat even me. Now it is beating even >> > other Chess Programs. May be later It challenges the Toppers. >> >> As you yourself hopefully understand: it's not saying a lot if your >> program >> beats another program (or beats you for that matter). >> Telling apart selfproclaimed top-programmers from actual ones is what >> matters, and you seem to have failed there by not producing an worthy >> opponent in your 'strongest game' statement. > > Yes, Thats my mistake. Can I just ask what level of play you yourself have? What's your Fide-elo-rating? What's the chessknowledge you have?
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 20:56:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 4:50 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > So Nomorechess, Taylor Kingston, Bob, Chrisf, Zebediah WHERE ARE YOU. Okay, so eventually I went and tried to play some more chess at Getclub.com, and here's what happened: After some trouble logging on, having forgotten my old password, etc., etc., I finally get a game going under a new handle (help bot). The program seems to have no openings book, and at move three is already slowed to a crawl on the second-weakest level (I had to choose between weakest or second- weakest, others were unselectable). I took Black: 1.e3 c5 2.Qf3? Nc6 3.Bb5 Nb4 4.Na3 a6 5.a3 axb5 6.axb4 cb 7.Nxb5 Ra5 8.a4 bxa e.p. 9.Nc3 axb2 10.Bxb2 Rxa1+ 11.Bxa1 Qa5 12.Bb2 Qb4 13.Bc1 (the memory fades...) After a couple more moves, I was up a pawn on the Queen-side and was permanently preventing White from castling. At one point, White made yet another dumb Queen move but one which threatened mate on the move! Nice. I got castled and was about to swing my Rook to the a-file for a routine King assault (...R-a1, say goodnight, Gracie) when the program disconnected me. I checked and there was nothing wrong with my internet connection. Strange. The program had been moving at a fairly reasonable speed, though its moves hardly impressed. The good news is the program did not toss away material that easily, and seemed tactically alert. The bad news is that it plays poorly, slowly, and there seem to be disconnection issues. The Java applet took quite a while to load, and only after I had already given up on it did the chess board suddenly appear, ready to rumble. Someone with a faster connection might have better luck than I did in this game. To sum up, the program is too weak for me, and the other site issues are not worth all the trouble it takes to play half of one game, only to get disconnected at random (or perhaps because I was winning?). -- help bot
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 14:48:00
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 12:14 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Bobby Fisher is same as Taylor Kingston. !?!?! > He is Second best player at > GetClub after you. IM Innes have not played much games at GetClub So I > can't say much about him. > > Nomorechess Still holds the Crown. Chrisf and Zebediah may Challege > your Crown As they are the most Aggresive Players I have seen. They > are driving against the wind. > > When Taylor kingston and you used to play Chess at GetClub.com It was > easy to increase rating You used to get +10 for winning a weak > beginner Player. In fact, it seems that those lucky ones who showed up first had the best of things. As every level began with a rating of 1000 and was thereafter driven down, the ones who played rated games *first* gained by far the most "easy" rating points, not only from the program, but from anyone they played who had played it as well. When I began playing a lot of games, most levels not only were already driven into the dirt by Taylor Kingston (among others) having clobbered them repeatedly, but in addition, your "improvements" had a significant impact on the strength of the program. In fact, when the program seemed to me to have made some real improvement (not just claimed), this is when most of the old timers stopped playing rated games, or else switched IDs. Later on, the "improvements" went in the wrong direction, or else went in random directions, like a bubble floating in the wind. Really, you can't continually make drastic changes to a chess program and have meaningful ratings. In addition, you should never have started all the levels at the same rating -- that is ludicrous. If you must make drastic changes to the program, its rating should be reset or else it should be considered as a new, unrated player until its strength is known. Think hard: when I beat your program, does it get any weaker? No, so then, why does its rating drop? This makes no sense. The computers ought to have fixed ratings, and not be toyed with. If you want to tweak level X, then enter level X as a new, unrated player whose rating will be determined by its results, and then *fixed* there. Simple. ------ But enough about ratings. Your real problem is that you are attempting to charge money to play games, which is a strategy that won't work. Look at the other sites on the Web: they allow non- members to play for free, but hit them with a ton of advertisements while offering to remove them if you pay to join. They also limit the number of games unless you pay, and they restrict options such as starting rated games or analyzing on another board -- whatever. But none of the ones I have tried force anyone to pay to play; instead, what they do is force you to look at annoying ads until you do. That "business model", as they call it these days, is working. Yours isn't. Right now I am playing Rob Mitchell some games at chessworld.net, which seems to me to be a bit inferior to redhotpawn.com in terms of how moves are entered. But they have team play, and who knows what else (I don't pay to play). In fact, they offer free months to those who sign up friends, and this seems to be working, just as you would expect. Such ideas are easy to find, if you simply were to explore the Web sites of your competition. See what you like, and copy the concept on your own site. Then discard your chess program and in its place install Crafty 0.01 or something. ; >D -- help bot
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 14:10:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 12:05 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > > 4. Bg5 Qb6 > > > Uh oh. Something went wrong with the programs' > > parameters; now they are playing like idiots. :>( > > Why was Bg5 a wrong Move? Could you explain what was the better move > and Why Bg5 is wrong. So that so that in future it do not move Bg5. Okay. After the moves: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 c5 ...we are heading toward the Benoni or some other Indian defense, and White can either take on c5, defend it with Nf3, or push on past, taking a space advantage in the center. But 4.Bg5 allows Black to take on d4, whereupon things start to go awry; unless White wants an imbalanced position at any cost, as after Bxf6 exf6, Qxd4 Nc6, Qe3+, he would do better to not defend the d-pawn with his Queen, because the Queen can get bounced around by any other piece (except a King or another Queen). Black can also just play ...Bg7, where White has committed his QB to g5 very, very early. What's so special about this particular square for the QB? Well, I suspect it nets a bonus score for the aggressive pin. But let's have a look at Black's reply, which also seems computer-bad: 4.Bg5 Qb6 Black is hoping to grab the b2-pawn, but this is a very risky strategy. "Never take the QN-pawn with the Queen", a famous quotation reads. Again, the early Queen foray most often leads to trouble, and it comes from jousting with much lesser men, a strategy which can needlessly lead to severe wounds. (Does a bear try to run off a pack of hungry wolves who have stolen his kill? No, because even though he can, the risk of injury is very high.) In all likelihood, the Black Queen will soon find herself moving to a new address, again. But let me look a bit deeper this time, now that I have a chess board to look at and am not just winging it blindfold. 5.Nf3 Qxb2 6.Nb5 White is well ahead in piece development, but he must deal with a few tactical problems. The central issue though, is Black's indisposed Queen and the immediate threat of a fork at c7. ... Bh6?? This move just gives away a piece for no reason. Even blindfold, I could see that. Could this be a case of operator error, or a software malfunction? 7.Bxh6 e5 Another giveaway. Look Sanny, nobody is going to believe that your program can beat Jester, or whatever it is called, based on such moves as these. It smacks of you making stuff up, or a whole series of malfunctions. 8.dxe5 Ng4 9.Bg7 Rg8 The Black Queen was trapped, but these moves just let her out of the box in pursuit of undeveloped junk in some distant corner. 10.Qb1 One of the worst moves on the board. Apart from the self-mates, like e3?? and e4??, this move lets the Queen escape AND hangs the Bishop on g7, in one fell swoop -- quite an achievement! Enough analysis for now. Let me just say that my blindfold comments picked on the wrong moves, since in comparison to this middle game, the opening was played magnificently. -- help bot > What do you think is the rating of Improved Game? > > Here is my Ratings. > > Beginner: 1500 > Easy: 1600 > Normal: 1700 > Master: 1800 > > I wish above ratings are correct. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 11:01:33
From: Rob
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 12:14 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > > Yesterday GetClub Chess came Online after a few improvements. > > > > I tried to test it against Ludoplayer which says itself as Worlds > > > Strongest Game. > > > Hmm... not IM Innes? And not Bobby Fischer? But > > Ludoplayer, eh? We'll see. BTW, has anybody ever > > heard of Ludoplayer before? I haven't. (Don't tell Sanny, > > but the world's strongest chess program is actually > > Rybka.) > > Bobby Fisher is same as Taylor Kingston. He is Second best player at > GetClub after you. IM Innes have not played much games at GetClub So I > can't say much about him. > > Nomorechess Still holds the Crown. Chrisf and Zebediah may Challege > your Crown As they are the most Aggresive Players I have seen. They > are driving against the wind. > > When Taylor kingston and you used to play Chess at GetClub.com It was > easy to increase rating You used to get +10 for winning a weak > beginner Player. > > Now you get +2 for Winning with Beginner as Beginner has gone down. > > Since The game has improved I am going to see the Beginner again > reaching 1000+ rating in future. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html didnt play Zed
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 10:14:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> > Yesterday GetClub Chess came Online after a few improvements. > > > I tried to test it against Ludoplayer which says itself as Worlds > > Strongest Game. > > Hmm... not IM Innes? And not Bobby Fischer? But > Ludoplayer, eh? We'll see. BTW, has anybody ever > heard of Ludoplayer before? I haven't. (Don't tell Sanny, > but the world's strongest chess program is actually > Rybka.) > Bobby Fisher is same as Taylor Kingston. He is Second best player at GetClub after you. IM Innes have not played much games at GetClub So I can't say much about him. Nomorechess Still holds the Crown. Chrisf and Zebediah may Challege your Crown As they are the most Aggresive Players I have seen. They are driving against the wind. When Taylor kingston and you used to play Chess at GetClub.com It was easy to increase rating You used to get +10 for winning a weak beginner Player. Now you get +2 for Winning with Beginner as Beginner has gone down. Since The game has improved I am going to see the Beginner again reaching 1000+ rating in future. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 10:05:29
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> > 4. Bg5 Qb6 > > Uh oh. Something went wrong with the programs' > parameters; now they are playing like idiots. :>( > Why was Bg5 a wrong Move? Could you explain what was the better move and Why Bg5 is wrong. So that so that in future it do not move Bg5. What do you think is the rating of Improved Game? Here is my Ratings. Beginner: 1500 Easy: 1600 Normal: 1700 Master: 1800 I wish above ratings are correct. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 10:01:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> I'm just hoping he's not making up lists himself to 'prove' he's better than > the rest. Surely I do not know about those games. There are lots and lots of Chess games arround. So I would say, It was First Time GetClub Chess beat any other Chess Program. Earlier It was unable to beat even me. Now it is beating even other Chess Programs. May be later It challenges the Toppers. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 21:30:09
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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"Sanny" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht news:[email protected]... >> I'm just hoping he's not making up lists himself to 'prove' he's better >> than >> the rest. > > Surely I do not know about those games. There are lots and lots of > Chess games arround. > > So I would say, It was First Time GetClub Chess beat any other Chess > Program. Earlier It was unable to beat even me. Now it is beating even > other Chess Programs. May be later It challenges the Toppers. As you yourself hopefully understand: it's not saying a lot if your program beats another program (or beats you for that matter). Telling apart selfproclaimed top-programmers from actual ones is what matters, and you seem to have failed there by not producing an worthy opponent in your 'strongest game' statement.
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 06:41:43
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 4:19 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Yesterday GetClub Chess came Online after a few improvements. > > I tried to test it against Ludoplayer which says itself as Worlds > Strongest Game. Hmm... not IM Innes? And not Bobby Fischer? But Ludoplayer, eh? We'll see. BTW, has anybody ever heard of Ludoplayer before? I haven't. (Don't tell Sanny, but the world's strongest chess program is actually Rybka.) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > White: GetClub.com (Beginner Level) > Black: Ludo Chess > Recorded Game at:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7573&game=Chess > > 1. d4 Nf6 Hey, these guys are good. > 2. c4 g6 Really good... . > 3. Nc3 c5 A funky Benoni. Now after d5 Bg7, e4 Bxc3+(!??), it's GetClub vs. GM Dzindzhichashvili! > 4. Bg5 Qb6 Uh oh. Something went wrong with the programs' parameters; now they are playing like idiots. : >( > 5. Nf3 Qb2 > 6. Nb5 Bh6 > 7.Bh6 e5 I suspect that maybe an impostor clubbed Dzindzi over the head and took up his game, while maybe Sanny took over for GetClub's program. Or maybe the CIA drugged him/them/it. > Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7573&game=Chess > > (White Wins.) > And this is how GetClub.com beats worlds Strongest Game. So have fun. > Higher Levels will play even stronger than it. Wow, even stronger than this? Amazing. Incredible. Now, everyone will want to play at GetClub.com (well, everyone except GM Dzindzichashvili and Ludochess). -- help bot
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 16:33:54
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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"help bot" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht news:[email protected]... > On Aug 22, 4:19 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yesterday GetClub Chess came Online after a few improvements. >> >> I tried to test it against Ludoplayer which says itself as Worlds >> Strongest Game. > > Hmm... not IM Innes? And not Bobby Fischer? But > Ludoplayer, eh? We'll see. BTW, has anybody ever > heard of Ludoplayer before? I haven't. (Don't tell Sanny, > but the world's strongest chess program is actually > Rybka.) The complete ignorance with which Sanny stares into the world of computerchess makes me believe he has never heard of the leading rating lists, http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_120_ratinglist/ratinglist/rangliste.html http://ssdf.bosjo.net/ http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/rating_list_all.html and of the engines that are in it. I'm just hoping he's not making up lists himself to 'prove' he's better than the rest.
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 05:19:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> > Again: If you find any weakness in the game let me know I will ask my > > programmers to update the errors. > > > Bye > > Sanny > > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > > Still can't beat Zed- Hide quoted text - What do you mean? I beat it Zed as Zed & Ludochess are same They both use Jester Engine. My Program was able to beat it once is a great Achievement. As Zed claims to be the Strongest Chess Engine. However I understand that the game was won because of good luck and not play strength. The Zed made a blunder thats the Reasion GetClub Chess won the Game. Bye Sanny. Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 04:36:57
From: Rob
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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On Aug 22, 4:50 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > > And this is how GetClub.com beats worlds Strongest Game. So have fun. > > Higher Levels will play even stronger than it. > > > Bye > > Sanny > > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > > So Nomorechess, Taylor Kingston, Bob, Chrisf, Zebediah WHERE ARE YOU. > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > > Can you still beat GetClub's Master Level. Or you find it hard to beat > even the Beginner & Easy Levels? > > You need to Signup Again to Play at GetClub Chess as old records were > removed. And you need to verify your Email So that only real people > can Join the Chess Game. > > Again: If you find any weakness in the game let me know I will ask my > programmers to update the errors. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Still can't beat Zed
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 02:50:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!
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> And this is how GetClub.com beats worlds Strongest Game. So have fun. > Higher Levels will play even stronger than it. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html So Nomorechess, Taylor Kingston, Bob, Chrisf, Zebediah WHERE ARE YOU. Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Can you still beat GetClub's Master Level. Or you find it hard to beat even the Beginner & Easy Levels? You need to Signup Again to Play at GetClub Chess as old records were removed. And you need to verify your Email So that only real people can Join the Chess Game. Again: If you find any weakness in the game let me know I will ask my programmers to update the errors. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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