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Date: 13 Sep 2008 22:14:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Games by Help Bot & Taylor Kingston.
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Today 2 games were played by Help Bot & Taylor Kingston against easy level. I find Taylor Kingston too 74 sec / move while Help Bot was taking 45 sec / move. Both win the game against Easy Level. But they exchanged the Queen in the opening itself to avoid Big fight. Since the major pieces were gone early, the game came into END GAME. And since GetClub END GAME is weak both win the game easily. Both finished the middle game quickly. I am posting both games below. First Game by Help Bot. --------------------------------------- He exhanged most of the pieces in the opening and win the End Game. Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27067&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (easy) -- (help bot) 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c6{6} 2. d2-d4{0} d7-d5{2} 3. Nb1-c3{0} d5-e4{2} 4. Nc3-e4{0} Bc8-f5{2} 5. f2-f3{322} Bf5-e4{68} 6. f3-e4{24} e7-e5{28} 7. Ng1-f3{24} e5-d4{82} 8. Qd1-d4{0} Qd8-d4{14} 9. Nf3-d4{28} Nb8-d7{34} 10. Bc1-g5{134} Bf8-c5{54} 11. Nd4-f5{88} g7-g6{46} 12. Nf5-h6{20} Ng8-h6{80} 13. Bg5-h6{0} Ke8-c8{14} 14. Ke1-c1{22} Nd7-e5{36} 15. Rd1-d8{20} Rh8-d8{14} 16. h2-h3{28} f7-f6{80} 17. Bh6-d2{0} b7-b5{110} 18. g2-g4{20} Ne5-f3{52} 19. Bf1-d3{40} Nf3-e5{46} 20. Rh1-f1{20} Bc5-e7{66} 21. Bd2-c3{42} Ne5-d3{66} 22. c2-d3{66} Rd8-d3{20} 23. Bc3-f6{308} Be7-f6{76} 24. Rf1-f6{0} Rd3-h3{12} 25. Rf6-c6{24} Kc8-b7{38} 26. Rc6-c5{42} Kb7-b6{28} 27. Rc5-g5{42} Kb6-c6{56} 28. e4-e5{28} a7-a6{48} 29. e5-e6{54} Kc6-d6{26} 30. b2-b3{88} Kd6-e6{22} 31. Rg5-c5{48} Ke6-d6{24} 32. b3-b4{72} Rh3-h4{42} 33. Rc5-g5{58} Rh4-h2{40} 34. Kc1-b1{22} Rh2-g2{24} 35. a2-a3{62} Rg2-d2{80} 36. Rg5-c5{20} Rd2-d4{42} 37. g4-g5{40} Rd4-d5{60} 38. Rc5-d5{58} Kd6-d5{4} 39. Kb1-b2{106} Kd5-e5{38} 40. a3-a4{64} Ke5-f5{16} 41. a4-b5{68} a6-b5{6} 42. Kb2-b3{106} Kf5-g5{10} 43. Kb3-c3{40} Kg5-f5{26} 44. Kc3-d4{32} g6-g5{8} 45. Kd4-e3{116} h7-h5{14} 46. Ke3-f2{82} Kf5-f4{12} 47. Kf2-g1{24} Kf4-f3{22} 48. Kg1-f1{30} g5-g4{8} 49. Kf1-e1{38} g4-g3{16} 50. Ke1-d1{40} Kf3-e3{14} 51. Kd1-c2{74} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27067&game=Chess Second Game by Taylor Kingston ------------------------------------------ He too exchanged Queen in the opening Stage and win in the End Game. Game Played between Stinky Garlnoot and easy at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stinky Garlnoot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27022&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (easy) -- (Stinky Garlnoot) 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{2} 2. c2-c3{0} d7-d5{8} 3. e4-d5{0} Qd8-d5{6} 4. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6} 5. b2-b3{134} Nb8-c6{130} 6. d4-c5{20} Qd5-d1{120} 7. Ke1-d1{0} e7-e5{4} 8. b3-b4{26} a7-a5{36} 9. Bf1-b5{78} Bc8-d7{102} 10. Bb5-c6{28} Bd7-c6{36} 11. f2-f3{64} b7-b6{122} 12. c5-b6{22} a5-b4{18} 13. Ng1-h3{182} Bf8-c5{398} 14. b6-b7{0} Bc6-b7{22} 15. Bc1-g5{100} Nf6-d5{46} 16. Rh1-e1{28} f7-f6{32} 17. Bg5-d2{38} b4-b3{104} 18. a2-a3{48} Ra8-d8{68} 19. a3-a4{22} Nd5-b6{58} 20. Nh3-f4{32} Ke8-f7{50} 21. a4-a5{90} Nb6-c4{42} 22. Nf4-h5{126} b3-b2{86} 23. Ra1-a2{32} Nc4-d2{42} 24. Kd1-c2{38} Nd2-c4{24} 25. a5-a6{24} Bb7-d5{80} 26. Ra2-a4{26} Rd8-b8{132} 27. a6-a7{22} Nc4-e3{46} 28. Re1-e3{30} Bd5-b3{22} 29. Kc2-d3{26} Rb8-d8{34} 30. Ra4-d4{56} e5-d4{32} 31. Re3-e1{48} Bc5-a7{20} 32. Nh5-f4{138} Rd8-c8{64} 33. c3-d4{20} Rc8-c1{26} 34. Kd3-d2{24} Rh8-c8{64} 35. Nf4-d3{26} Rc1-c2{116} 36. Kd2-e3{0} Rc8-e8{20} 37. Ke3-f4{24} Re8-e1{48} 38. Nd3-e1{46} Rc2-e2{6} 39. Ne1-d3{32} Ba7-b8{56} 40. Nd3-e5{0} f6-e5{16} 41. d4-e5{28} Bb8-e5{42} 42. Kf4-g5{84} Bb3-e6{30} 43. f3-f4{28} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stinky Garlnoot: (Black) easy: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27022&game=Chess -------------------------- So you can see how both players quickly got into end game where GetClub is weak and win the game. Still this was Easy Level and yet competed well. If they had not exchanged major pieces in the opening then it would have been a difficult game. As GetClub's end game is not good. Do you see any mistake in the games of Help Bot & Taylor Kingston. Help Bot was thinking 45 sec / move while Taylor Kingston was thinking 74 sec / move While the Easy Level was thinking 55 sec / move. So all players were roughly taking same time. I was expacting GetClub will win But since they exchanged the pieces GetClub could not play with full potential. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Sep 2008 14:16:10
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Toughest game by Help Bot.
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On Sep 14, 7:12=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Help Bot was thinking on average 140 sec / move. While Normal Level > was thinking for 240 sec / move. > This is Toughest fight seen at GetClub between Normal Level and Help > Bot. > > This is the first game where help bot was thinking more than 2 min / > move. ~ 140 sec / move. When I play the Normal level, I have no choice but to do other things while the program "thinks". In this one, I frequently left the room and was watching a DVD, and while I can usually hear the signal that the program has moved and get up to make my reply, I am not always eager to go back and forth, so sometimes I wait for the DVD to reach an intermission point, a break between lectures, before returning to my computer in the other room. Thus, if I took five+ minutes on a move, it is very likely that I was not thinking, but just watching the DVD or perhaps I may have left home to run an errand. Figure all that "down time" in, and you will not get an accurate picture of what is really going on at my end. In fact, just the other day I moved so quickly that the instant I saw my move on screen, I realized I had just hung a Bishop. You may recall that game-- a 70 mover I believe, which I won in spite of this careless blunder. When I do take a very long time to think, it is usually because I am not making headway in a winning position, and I need to rethink my entire plan, or decide whether or not to risk loss in going for a win. I am no genius in complex middle game positions-- as you no doubt saw the last time I lost to GetClub. But in the openings, your program seems to have a serious problem with failure to develop "normally", preferring to hop its Knights about aimlessly, and so forth. And in the endgame, well, let's just say it doesn't know an endgame from a French vanilla ice cream cone. -- help bot
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Date: 14 Sep 2008 07:22:26
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: GetClub lose only because others play better
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On Sep 14, 1:14=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: Today 2 games were played by Help Bot & Taylor Kingston against easy level. Both win game without much trouble. But that because they cheat. GetClub cannot make strong moves, but they do. That no fair. If everyone just make bad moves, GetClub win all the time.
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Date: 14 Sep 2008 06:17:06
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: GetFlub still smell like old fish: Games by Help Bot & Taylor
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On Sep 14, 1:14=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote: > Today 2 games were played by Help Bot & Taylor Kingston against easy > level. > > I find Taylor Kingston too 74 sec / move while Help Bot was taking 45 > sec / move. > > Both win the game against Easy Level. But they exchanged the Queen in > the opening itself to avoid Big fight. No, I exchanged queens because it was the best move at the time. If your program is so weak that it cannot play well without its queen, then you had best program it not to play openings where it offers a queen exchange at move 6. > Since the major pieces were gone early, the game came into END GAME. Sanny, you don't know an endgame from your hind end. What we had in that game was a *_queenless middle game_*, not an endgame. It never reached an endgame. Plus, your program was busted by the early middle game. > And since GetClub END GAME is weak both win the game easily. GetClub _is_ weak in the endgame. Also in the opening and middle game. > Both finished the middle game quickly. > > I am posting both games below. > > First Game by Help Bot. > --------------------------------------- > > He exhanged most of the pieces in the opening and win the End Game. > > Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > help bot: (Black) > easy: (White) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27067&game= =3DChess > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > > White -- Black > (easy) -- (help bot) > > 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c6{6} > 2. d2-d4{0} d7-d5{2} > 3. Nb1-c3{0} d5-e4{2} > 4. Nc3-e4{0} Bc8-f5{2} > 5. f2-f3{322} Bf5-e4{68} > 6. f3-e4{24} e7-e5{28} > 7. Ng1-f3{24} e5-d4{82} > 8. Qd1-d4{0} Qd8-d4{14} > 9. Nf3-d4{28} Nb8-d7{34} > 10. Bc1-g5{134} Bf8-c5{54} > 11. Nd4-f5{88} g7-g6{46} > 12. Nf5-h6{20} Ng8-h6{80} > 13. Bg5-h6{0} Ke8-c8{14} > 14. Ke1-c1{22} Nd7-e5{36} > 15. Rd1-d8{20} Rh8-d8{14} > 16. h2-h3{28} f7-f6{80} > 17. Bh6-d2{0} b7-b5{110} > 18. g2-g4{20} Ne5-f3{52} > 19. Bf1-d3{40} Nf3-e5{46} > 20. Rh1-f1{20} Bc5-e7{66} > 21. Bd2-c3{42} Ne5-d3{66} > 22. c2-d3{66} Rd8-d3{20} > 23. Bc3-f6{308} Be7-f6{76} > 24. Rf1-f6{0} Rd3-h3{12} > 25. Rf6-c6{24} Kc8-b7{38} > 26. Rc6-c5{42} Kb7-b6{28} > 27. Rc5-g5{42} Kb6-c6{56} > 28. e4-e5{28} a7-a6{48} > 29. e5-e6{54} Kc6-d6{26} > 30. b2-b3{88} Kd6-e6{22} > 31. Rg5-c5{48} Ke6-d6{24} > 32. b3-b4{72} Rh3-h4{42} > 33. Rc5-g5{58} Rh4-h2{40} > 34. Kc1-b1{22} Rh2-g2{24} > 35. a2-a3{62} Rg2-d2{80} > 36. Rg5-c5{20} Rd2-d4{42} > 37. g4-g5{40} Rd4-d5{60} > 38. Rc5-d5{58} Kd6-d5{4} > 39. Kb1-b2{106} Kd5-e5{38} > 40. a3-a4{64} Ke5-f5{16} > 41. a4-b5{68} a6-b5{6} > 42. Kb2-b3{106} Kf5-g5{10} > 43. Kb3-c3{40} Kg5-f5{26} > 44. Kc3-d4{32} g6-g5{8} > 45. Kd4-e3{116} h7-h5{14} > 46. Ke3-f2{82} Kf5-f4{12} > 47. Kf2-g1{24} Kf4-f3{22} > 48. Kg1-f1{30} g5-g4{8} > 49. Kf1-e1{38} g4-g3{16} > 50. Ke1-d1{40} Kf3-e3{14} > 51. Kd1-c2{74} > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > =A0help bot: (Black) > easy: (White) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27067&game= =3DChess > > Second Game by Taylor Kingston > ------------------------------------------ > > He too exchanged Queen in the opening Stage and win in the End Game. > > Game Played between Stinky Garlnoot and easy at GetClub.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > Stinky Garlnoot: (Black) > easy: (White) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27022&game= =3DChess > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > > White -- Black > (easy) -- (Stinky Garlnoot) > > 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{2} > 2. c2-c3{0} d7-d5{8} > 3. e4-d5{0} Qd8-d5{6} > 4. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6} > 5. b2-b3{134} Nb8-c6{130} > 6. d4-c5{20} Qd5-d1{120} > 7. Ke1-d1{0} e7-e5{4} > 8. b3-b4{26} a7-a5{36} > 9. Bf1-b5{78} Bc8-d7{102} > 10. Bb5-c6{28} Bd7-c6{36} > 11. f2-f3{64} b7-b6{122} > 12. c5-b6{22} a5-b4{18} > 13. Ng1-h3{182} Bf8-c5{398} > 14. b6-b7{0} Bc6-b7{22} > 15. Bc1-g5{100} Nf6-d5{46} > 16. Rh1-e1{28} f7-f6{32} > 17. Bg5-d2{38} b4-b3{104} > 18. a2-a3{48} Ra8-d8{68} > 19. a3-a4{22} Nd5-b6{58} > 20. Nh3-f4{32} Ke8-f7{50} > 21. a4-a5{90} Nb6-c4{42} > 22. Nf4-h5{126} b3-b2{86} > 23. Ra1-a2{32} Nc4-d2{42} > 24. Kd1-c2{38} Nd2-c4{24} > 25. a5-a6{24} Bb7-d5{80} > 26. Ra2-a4{26} Rd8-b8{132} > 27. a6-a7{22} Nc4-e3{46} > 28. Re1-e3{30} Bd5-b3{22} > 29. Kc2-d3{26} Rb8-d8{34} > 30. Ra4-d4{56} e5-d4{32} > 31. Re3-e1{48} Bc5-a7{20} > 32. Nh5-f4{138} Rd8-c8{64} > 33. c3-d4{20} Rc8-c1{26} > 34. Kd3-d2{24} Rh8-c8{64} > 35. Nf4-d3{26} Rc1-c2{116} > 36. Kd2-e3{0} Rc8-e8{20} > 37. Ke3-f4{24} Re8-e1{48} > 38. Nd3-e1{46} Rc2-e2{6} > 39. Ne1-d3{32} Ba7-b8{56} > 40. Nd3-e5{0} f6-e5{16} > 41. d4-e5{28} Bb8-e5{42} > 42. Kf4-g5{84} Bb3-e6{30} > 43. f3-f4{28} > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=AD----- > =A0Stinky Garlnoot: (Black) > easy: (White) > Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27022&game= =3DChess > > -------------------------- > > So you can see how both players quickly got into end game where > GetClub is weak and win the game. > > Still this was Easy Level and yet competed well. > > If they had not exchanged major pieces in the opening then it would > have been a difficult game. > > As GetClub's end game is not good. > > Do you see any mistake in the games of Help Bot & Taylor Kingston. > > Help Bot was thinking 45 sec / move while Taylor Kingston was thinking > 74 sec / move > > While the Easy Level was thinking 55 sec / move. > > So all players were roughly taking same time. > > I was expacting GetClub will win But since =A0they exchanged the pieces > GetClub could not play with full potential. > > Bye > Sanny > > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Sep 2008 04:12:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Toughest game by Help Bot.
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This game with NORMAL Level continued till 97 moves. Help Bot used his new trick to bring End Game and win as End Game GetClub plays weak. He exchanged most of the pieces and then win. Still It was a tough fight no one stepping back. There was attack and counter attack from both sides. Game Played between help bot and normal at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) normal: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27094&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (normal) -- (help bot) 1. e2-e4{0} g7-g6{12} 2. d2-d4{0} Bf8-g7{4} 3. Nb1-c3{0} c7-c6{8} 4. Bc1-e3{252} d7-d5{28} 5. e4-d5{92} c6-d5{6} 6. Ng1-f3{432} Ng8-f6{10} 7. Nf3-e5{524} Ke8-g8{14} 8. Bf1-d3{90} Nb8-c6{28} 9. Ne5-c6{186} b7-c6{26} 10. Ke1-g1{330} Qd8-c7{142} 11. Ra1-b1{244} Nf6-g4{34} 12. g2-g3{92} e7-e5{26} 13. d4-e5{298} Ng4-e3{12} 14. f2-e3{84} Bc8-h3{34} 15. Rf1-f2{108} Bg7-e5{56} 16. Qd1-f3{92} f7-f5{60} 17. Nc3-a4{270} a7-a5{62} 18. Rb1-e1{128} Qc7-d6{108} 19. b2-b3{120} Ra8-b8{64} 20. Bd3-a6{172} Rf8-e8{56} 21. Ba6-d3{432} Re8-e7{58} 22. c2-c3{530} Rb8-e8{62} 23. Rf2-d2{96} Be5-f6{136} 24. Bd3-f1{336} Bh3-f1{24} 25. Kg1-f1{96} Bf6-g5{36} 26. Rd2-e2{80} Re7-e4{36} 27. h2-h4{244} Bg5-h6{46} 28. Na4-b2{204} Qd6-e5{92} 29. Nb2-d1{120} a5-a4{120} 30. b3-b4{144} a4-a3{40} 31. Qf3-g2{194} Re4-g4{36} 32. Kf1-f2{144} Bh6-f8{36} 33. Qg2-f3{176} Bf8-d6{30} 34. Re1-g1{166} Bd6-c7{100} 35. Re2-d2{96} h7-h5{104} 36. b4-b5{150} Rg4-e4{94} 37. b5-c6{90} Qe5-e6{48} 38. Rd2-d3{216} Qe6-c6{28} 39. Kf2-g2{266} Bc7-b6{56} 40. Rg1-e1{92} Qc6-c4{54} 41. Rd3-d2{158} Re8-e5{98} 42. Kg2-h3{372} Kg8-g7{36} 43. Re1-e2{200} Qc4-c8{106} 44. Kh3-g2{338} Qc8-e6{58} 45. Rd2-d3{82} Bb6-c5{42} 46. Re2-e1{250} Re4-c4{102} 47. Re1-f1{340} Re5-e4{68} 48. Rf1-g1{116} Bc5-e7{238} 49. Nd1-f2{208} Be7-f6{1578} 50. Qf3-e2{186} Re4-e5{58} 51. Rg1-b1{84} Qe6-c6{1330} 52. Nf2-d1{0} Re5-e7{210} 53. Qe2-f3{92} Re7-d7{110} 54. Rb1-b3{104} Bf6-e7{46} 55. Kg2-g1{540} Be7-c5{60} 56. Nd1-f2{184} Rc4-e4{206} 57. Rb3-b8{398} Rd7-b7{102} 58. Rb8-b7{400} Qc6-b7{20} 59. Kg1-f1{84} Qb7-b1{126} 60. Qf3-d1{82} Qb1-d1{118} 61. Nf2-d1{136} Bc5-d6{64} 62. Nd1-f2{248} Re4-c4{28} 63. Kf1-g2{304} Bd6-c5{68} 64. Nf2-h3{190} Rc4-e4{26} 65. Kg2-f3{152} Re4-c4{66} 66. Nh3-f4{110} Bc5-d6{420} 67. Nf4-d5{4} Bd6-e5{16} 68. Nd5-f4{506} Rc4-c3{58} 69. Rd3-c3{246} Be5-c3{928} 70. Kf3-g2{0} Bc3-e5{148} 71. Nf4-d3{266} Be5-d6{74} 72. Nd3-f4{226} Kg7-f6{78} 73. Kg2-f3{290} Kf6-f7{332} 74. Kf3-f2{230} Bd6-e5{906} 75. Nf4-d3{222} Be5-d6{366} 76. Nd3-f4{138} Kf7-f6{34} 77. Kf2-f3{162} Kf6-e5{1000} 78. Nf4-g6{106} Ke5-d5{6} 79. Ng6-f4{102} Kd5-c4{14} 80. e3-e4{750} Kc4-c3{222} 81. e4-f5{106} Kc3-b2{24} 82. Kf3-e4{96} Kb2-a2{28} 83. Nf4-e6{310} Ka2-b2{142} 84. Ke4-d5{102} Bd6-e7{54} 85. f5-f6{158} Be7-f6{26} 86. Kd5-e4{466} a3-a2{102} 87. Ne6-f4{116} Qa2-a1{Q}{682} 88. Ke4-f5{108} Kb2-c2{50} 89. Kf5-g6{136} Bf6-e5{34} 90. Nf4-h5{202} Be5-g3{20} 91. Nh5-g3{86} Qa1-g1{6} 92. h4-h5{130} Qg1-g3{10} 93. Kg6-f5{244} Qg3-g7{22} 94. h5-h6{182} Qg7-h6{10} 95. Kf5-e4{92} Qh6-g5{32} 96. Ke4-d4{8} Qg5-f5{14} 97. Kd4-d3{2} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help bot: (Black) normal: (White) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27094&game=Chess Help Bot gave sacrifice of its pawn and Bishop to promote Queen. Its a game of very tough fight. Help Bot was thinking on average 140 sec / move. While Normal Level was thinking for 240 sec / move. This is Toughest fight seen at GetClub between Normal Level and Help Bot. This is the first game where help bot was thinking more than 2 min / move. ~ 140 sec / move. Beginner: 2200+ Easy: 2300+ Normal: 2400+ Analyze the above game and lets see if anyone can spot any mistake in Help Bot or the Normal Level game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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