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Date: 11 Nov 2005 13:25:28
From: David Ames
Subject: Do not attempt
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There are various car commercials on television which state
"Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
"Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
David Ames
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Date: 13 Nov 2005 23:56:53
From: Amarande
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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David Ames wrote:
> There are various car commercials on television which state
> "Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
>
> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
A Two Knights variation comes to mind -
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 Nxd5! 6 d4!
With one of the virtually purest clashes between tactical and
strategic strength to be seen in any opening line ...
Current analysis appears to indicate that Black's decision to
invite the White attack gets vindicated, but the defensive line
is extremely narrow while White has a huge initiative.
Still, I have to attempt. Even if I'm perhaps not the best OTB
player there is. It's the principle of the thing, really.
5 ... Nxd5 is the beautiful move. It is the move that, by all
rights, should be correct. White has dallied with a premature
two-piece attack, forced Black to play d5 which usually needs
some considerable effort to pull off in 1 e4 e5 openings, and
what's worse, he's given up the center. It is only natural for
Black to recapture the Pawn.
5 ... Na5, on the other hand, may be what traffic school tells
you you should do, but it's just so ugly and looks wrong. As
I've just mentioned, White has pretty much broken every rule
in the book with moves 4 and 5, while Black has done no
apparent wrong; it hardly appears just that Black's reward for
this should be to have to give up a Pawn that is not at all
easy to recover, and send his Knight to an awkward sideboard
post to boot ... no, surely 5 ... Na5 is merely easier on the
nerves, and with optimal play on both sides, 5 ... Nxd5 should
lead to at least as good an outcome for Black ...
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Date: 15 Nov 2005 04:35:31
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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>> There are various car commercials on television which state
>> "Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
>>
>> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
>> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
>
> A Two Knights variation comes to mind -
>
> 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 Nxd5! 6 d4!
>
> With one of the virtually purest clashes between tactical and
> strategic strength to be seen in any opening line ...
>
> Current analysis appears to indicate that Black's decision to
> invite the White attack gets vindicated, but the defensive line
> is extremely narrow while White has a huge initiative.
>
> Still, I have to attempt. Even if I'm perhaps not the best OTB
> player there is. It's the principle of the thing, really.
>
> 5 ... Nxd5 is the beautiful move. It is the move that, by all
> rights, should be correct. White has dallied with a premature
> two-piece attack, forced Black to play d5 which usually needs
> some considerable effort to pull off in 1 e4 e5 openings, and
> what's worse, he's given up the center. It is only natural for
> Black to recapture the Pawn.
>
> 5 ... Na5, on the other hand, may be what traffic school tells
> you you should do, but it's just so ugly and looks wrong. As
> I've just mentioned, White has pretty much broken every rule
> in the book with moves 4 and 5, while Black has done no
> apparent wrong; it hardly appears just that Black's reward for
> this should be to have to give up a Pawn that is not at all
> easy to recover, and send his Knight to an awkward sideboard
> post to boot ... no, surely 5 ... Na5 is merely easier on the
> nerves, and with optimal play on both sides, 5 ... Nxd5 should
> lead to at least as good an outcome for Black ...
Don't know if this will hold up in practice, but the analysis leading up to
it is the correct way to view the opening.
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Date: 13 Nov 2005 17:48:51
From: richard stanz
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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How about:
The 8.Rb1 Gruenfeld
The Botvinnik Semi-Slav
The Najdorf, and
The Zaitsev Defense to the Ruy Lopez
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Date: 14 Nov 2005 09:22:54
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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richard stanz <[email protected] > wrote:
> The 8.Rb1 Gruenfeld
> The Botvinnik Semi-Slav
> The Najdorf, and
(Especially the Polugayevsky variation.)
> The Zaitsev Defense to the Ruy Lopez
Dave.
--
David Richerby Evil Monk (TM): it's like a man of
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ God but it's genuinely evil!
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Date: 14 Nov 2005 10:44:05
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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En/na David Richerby ha escrit:
> richard stanz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The 8.Rb1 Gruenfeld
>>The Botvinnik Semi-Slav
>>The Najdorf, and
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> (Especially the Polugayevsky variation.)
>
>>The Zaitsev Defense to the Ruy Lopez
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> Dave.
Hello Dave,
I wrote about Grunfeld and Sicilian Najdorf in general in my answer to
that trhead.
Curiously Polugaievski variation has the opposite situation: it can be
played at low level but if you try to find games in the last 10 years
where black rating is +2500, ... you will find very few games (and most
part rapid, blitz or first round versus a weak player)
The reason is that Pol. variation current theory shows white advantage
and black has not been able to find the needed improvements.
AT
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Date: 14 Nov 2005 14:16:06
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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Antonio Torrecillas <[email protected] > wrote:
> Curiously Polugaievski variation has the opposite situation: it can be
> played at low level but if you try to find games in the last 10 years
> where black rating is +2500, ... you will find very few games (and most
> part rapid, blitz or first round versus a weak player)
Oh, OK. Thanks for the correction.
I had it in my mind that the only person who'd played it successfully was
Polugayevsky himself. I assumed this meant that no other GMs were good
enough (and had enough intuition for the positions) to play it so assumed
that weaker players would get busted, too. It hadn't really occurred to
me that weaker White players might not be able to press the advantage --
the only time I tried the opening, I got slaughtered as Black.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Poetic Permanent Pants (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a well-tailored pair of trousers
but it'll be there for ever and it's
in verse!
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Date: 11 Nov 2005 23:08:24
From: Leopold
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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"David Ames" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There are various car commercials on television which state
> "Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
>
> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
>
> David Ames
>
When I am teaching the kids in the chess clubs and show them a classical
game or one of my recently played games from memory, I usually get asked how
do I remember the game and all the variations without notes in which I like
to reply,
"I am a professional coach. Do not try this at home as you may hurt your
brain."
Leopold
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Date: 11 Nov 2005 23:51:14
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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En/na David Ames ha escrit:
> There are various car commercials on television which state
> "Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
>
> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
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> David Ames
That depends on what you refer.
If professional chessplayer mean "not beginners" or "federated player" I
suppose that openings who lead to strategic play are not completely
acurate and open games should be prefered.
Some examples: KID, Nimzoindian, Stonewall, Pirc, ...
If professional chessplayer mean "chess player full time" I suppose that
"chess player with no much time to study" (which can be stronger but has
another profession and has a family) must avoid openings where there
are critical lines who have been studied exhaustively in current times
which can not follow his development.
Some examples: Sicilian Dragon, Sicilian Najdorf, Gruenfeld, ...
But fortunately, chess is so rich that anyone can play any line and at
most levels, even a lost game can be continued and defended.
AT
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Date: 11 Nov 2005 22:14:01
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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> There are various car commercials on television which state
> "Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt."
>
> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
Muzio Gambit?
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Date: 12 Nov 2005 02:12:10
From: bruno de baenst
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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>> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
>> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
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> Muzio Gambit?
I don't know a professional player who does play the muzio
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Date: 12 Nov 2005 17:24:50
From: anthony mee
Subject: Re: Do not attempt
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Nimzowitch did! and won!!
"bruno de baenst" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> Are there any chess variations which could properly be annotated
>>> "Professional chess player. Do not attempt"?
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>> Muzio Gambit?
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> I don't know a professional player who does play the muzio
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