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Date: 13 Jul 2006 04:12:52
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Subject: Chigorin question
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Hi
A recent game of mine went
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7.
Bxc4 Bb4 which is pretty standard stuff. I was expecting my opponent
to continue 8. Qc2 but he didn't, he replied 8. d5
Now I can't find this move in any of my books, nor can I find any
reference to this move being played at high level - which suggests that
this move is inferior. My question is why and what should I have
responded. (I played 8. .. Bxc3+ and went on to loose)
Regards
Roger
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Ed Seedhouse wrote:
> >Now I can't find this move in any of my books,
>
> In every single game there is such a move.
Unless you are lucky and a GM.
"Anand in fact replayed, move for move, a rapid game he had played last
summer against Shirov in Mainz. The world's number two required only
five minutes of his clock time to execute all his moves."
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Date: 14 Jul 2006 00:13:04
From: Ed Seedhouse
Subject: Re: Chigorin question
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On 13 Jul 2006 15:16:16 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Ed Seedhouse wrote:
>> >Now I can't find this move in any of my books,
>> In every single game there is such a move.
>Unless you are lucky and a GM.
Luck has little to do with that.
>"Anand in fact replayed, move for move, a rapid game he had played last
>summer against Shirov in Mainz. The world's number two required only
>five minutes of his clock time to execute all his moves."
This doesn't contradict what I said above.
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Date: 13 Jul 2006 20:15:41
From: Ed Seedhouse
Subject: Re: Chigorin question
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On 13 Jul 2006 04:12:52 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7.
>Bxc4 Bb4 which is pretty standard stuff. I was expecting my opponent
>to continue 8. Qc2 but he didn't, he replied 8. d5
>Now I can't find this move in any of my books,
In every single game there is such a move.
>nor can I find any
>reference to this move being played at high level - which suggests that
>this move is inferior. My question is why and what should I have
>responded. (I played 8. .. Bxc3+ and went on to loose)
8 Bxc3+ is perfectly fine, so you didn't lose here, you lost later.
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Date: 13 Jul 2006 15:43:48
From: John Sheatsley
Subject: Re: Chigorin question
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi
>
> A recent game of mine went
>
> 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7.
> Bxc4 Bb4 which is pretty standard stuff. I was expecting my opponent
> to continue 8. Qc2 but he didn't, he replied 8. d5
>
> Now I can't find this move in any of my books, nor can I find any
> reference to this move being played at high level - which suggests that
> this move is inferior. My question is why and what should I have
> responded. (I played 8. .. Bxc3+ and went on to loose)
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
Hi, Roger,
I found the following games in my database. While Black had an
excellent score overall, it doesn't seem to be because 8. d5 is a bad move.
Fritz 9 gives it: = (-0.03) and White's sixth best move behind
8. Qd3, 8. Qc2, 8. Bd3, 8. e5, or 8. h3 but I'm a little suspicious
of its evaluations early in the openings.
Regards,
John
[Event " del Plata PROSUD"]
[Site " del Plata"]
[Date "1991.??.??"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Palermo, Vicente"]
[Black "Vasta, Eduardo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D07"]
[WhiteElo "2280"]
[BlackElo "2360"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "1991.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "ARG"]
[EventCategory "3"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1998.11.10"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 Nc6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Bxc4 e6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Nc3 Bb4 8.
d5
Bxf3 9. gxf3 exd5 10. exd5 Bxc3+ 11. bxc3 Ne5 12. Qa4+ Nfd7 13. Be2 O-O 14.
Qf4
Ng6 15. Qd4 Re8 16. O-O-O Qe7 17. Rhg1 Qa3+ 18. Kb1 Nb6 19. Rd3 c5 20. dxc6
bxc6 21. Bd1 Rab8 22. Bb3 Nd5 23. c4 Nb4 24. Bc1 Qa5 25. Bb2 f6 26. c5+ Nd5
27.
f4 Ngxf4 28. Re3 Kh8 29. Bxd5 Nxd5 30. Re6 Red8 31. Rge1 h6 32. Rd6 Qxe1+
0-1
[Event "Aarhus"]
[Site "Aarhus"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Jensen, Jacob Bjerre"]
[Black "Hoiberg, Nina"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D07"]
[WhiteElo "2205"]
[BlackElo "2280"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[EventDate "1997.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "DEN"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.11.16"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8.
d5
Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 Ne5 11. Bb5+ c6 12. Qg3 Qa5 13. O-O Ng6 14. Bc4
Nxe4 0-1
[Event "Wijk Inv Tens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "2003.01.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Strating, Sybolt"]
[Black "L'Ami, Erwin"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D07"]
[WhiteElo "2325"]
[BlackElo "2438"]
[PlyCount "92"]
[EventDate "2003.01.17"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "8"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2003.03.07"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 Nc6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Nc3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8.
d5
exd5 9. exd5 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 Ne7 11. Qa4+ Bd7 12. Qb3 Ne4 13. Bd3 Nd6 14. c4
b6
15. O-O O-O 16. Rfe1 Bf5 17. Bf1 Be4 18. Bg5 Re8 19. Nd2 Bg6 20. Qa4 f6 21.
Be3
Nef5 22. Bf4 Nd4 23. Rac1 Qc8 24. Be3 N4f5 25. c5 bxc5 26. Rxc5 Nxe3 27.
Rxe3
Rxe3 28. fxe3 Qd8 29. Qd4 Rb8 30. Qc3 Rb7 31. a4 Be8 32. a5 Bb5 33. a6 Rb8
34.
Bxb5 Nxb5 35. Qa5 Qe7 36. Qb4 Qxe3+ 37. Kf1 Re8 38. Nf3 Qd3+ 39. Kg1 Nd6 40.
Qd2 Qxa6 41. Rc6 Qb5 42. h4 Re2 43. Qd4 Qb1+ 44. Kh2 Qg6 45. Qg1 Ne4 46. Ng5
Qh5 0-1
[Event "ICS rated blitz match"]
[Site "chess.net"]
[Date "1998.09.23"]
[Round "?"]
[White "babylyub"]
[Black "JROSKO"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D07"]
[PlyCount "95"]
[EventDate "1998.??.??"]
[EventType "swiss (blitz)"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.11"]
[TimeControl "540"]
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c4 dxc4 4. e4 Bg4 5. Be3 e6 6. Bxc4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nf6
8.
d5 Nxe4 9. dxc6 Nxc3 10. Qxd8+ Rxd8 11. bxc3 Bxc3+ 12. Ke2 Bxa1 13. Rxa1 e5
14.
cxb7 e4 15. Bb5+ Kf8 16. Bc5+ Kg8 17. b8=Q Rxb8 18. Bc6 exf3+ 19. gxf3 Bh5
20.
Bxa7 Rb2+ 21. Kd3 Bg6+ 22. Ke3 h5 23. Bc5 h4 24. a4 Rh5 25. Rc1 Ra2 26. f4
Bc2
27. Bd4 Bxa4 28. Bxa4 Rxa4 29. Rxc7 Ra3+ 30. Ke4 f5+ 31. Kd5 Ra5+ 32. Ke6
Rh6+
33. Ke7 Rg6 34. h3 Ra4 35. Be5 Ra2 36. f3 Rf2 37. Rc3 Rh2 38. Rc7 Rxh3 39.
Rc3
Rhg3 40. Re3 h3 41. Kd7 h2 42. Re1 Rh3 43. Rh1 Rg1 44. Rxh2 Rxh2 45. Ke6 Rf1
46. Kxf5 Rxf3 47. Ke6 Rh6+ 48. Kd5 0-1
[Event "Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan)"]
[Site "Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan)"]
[Date "1990.??.??"]
[Round "68"]
[White "Zvjaginsev Vadim (RUS)"]
[Black "Ivanov Alexander V (USA)"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D07"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.11"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8.
d5
Bxf3 9. gxf3 exd5 10. exd5 Bxc3+ 11. bxc3 Ne7 12. Bb5+ c6 13. dxc6 bxc6 14.
Qxd8+ Rxd8 15. Ba4 Nfd5 16. c4 Nb6 17. Bb3 Nf5 18. Rd1 Rxd1+ 19. Kxd1 Nxe3+
20.
fxe3 Ke7 21. Rg1 g6 22. Rg5 f5 23. h4 Kf6 24. e4 Re8 25. exf5 gxf5 26. Rh5
Kg6
27. Rg5+ Kf6 28. Rh5 1/2-1/2
[Event "Washington Futurity"]
[Site "Washington Futurity"]
[Date "1990.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mayer, Steve"]
[Black "Savage, Allan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D07"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.11"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. e4 Bg4 6. Be3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8.
d5
exd5 9. exd5 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 Ne5 11. Bb5+ Bd7 12. Nxe5 Bxb5 13. c4 Qd6 14.
Qd4
Bd7 15. O-O O-O 16. c5 Qa6 17. Bg5 h6 18. Bh4 Qa4 19. Qxa4 Bxa4 20. Bxf6
gxf6
21. Ng4 Kg7 22. Rab1 b6 23. Rb4 Bd7 24. c6 Bxg4 25. Rxg4+ Kh7 26. Re1 Rfe8
27.
Rge4 Rxe4 28. Rxe4 Rd8 29. Rd4 Kg6 30. f4 f5 31. Kf2 Kf6 32. d6 cxd6 33. c7
Rc8
34. Rxd6+ Ke7 35. Rc6 Kd7 36. Rxh6 Rxc7 37. Rf6 Rc2+ 38. Kf3 Rc3+ 39. Kf2
Rc2+
40. Kf3 Rc3+ 41. Kf2 1/2-1/2
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