Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

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Date: 07 Jun 2006 00:55:52
From: Sanny
Subject: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

The Chess game is playing very good. It has beated every player atleast
once except Taylor Kingston & Perrypawnpusher

The game is playing quite fast that it allows upto master level to be
played.

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Now, no one criticizes that it is playing weak moves. So now I cant
improve the game further. But I see good players beating the Normal &
Master Level also. While I find it hard to win even the Easy level.

A few of My friends get beated by Beginner level also.

Start a game at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Anyone can win this months $5.00 prize. You just have to score 10
points & win atleast 2 games with Human Opponents. And in comming
months the Prize money may get increased.

Now with the game Recorded no one can tell lies as everything from your
Move and Time you took for that move is recorded.

Here is a game I win with Easy Level after lot of struggle.
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM697&game=Chess

I would admire if some one could do analysis of Games played by higher
level and let me know of any mistake moves played by computer. You can
post comments to all recorded Chess games for further analysis.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Date: 08 Jun 2006 23:00:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

It would be very difficult to trap the computer in first 20 moves from
now as the Middle Game have been improved a lot thanks to your
guidance. Now it first advances its pieces before bringing its queen
into the center.

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Thanks
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Date: 08 Jun 2006 17:35:08
From:
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Bjoern wrote:
> It's still strategically clueless:
> 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 d6 4.Nc3 Ng4 5.e4 e5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Be7 8.Nge2 0-0
> 9.Be3 Qb6 10.Qd2 Nfd7 11.g4 Qa5 12.Ng3 Qb6 13.h4 Nf6 14.f3 Ne8 15.0-0-0
> Na6 16.Nf5 Bxf5 17.exf5 Qb4 18.Rdg1 Qa5 19.g5 Nb4 20.Bb1 Na6 21.f6 Bd8
22.fxg7 Kxg7 23.Qc2 f5 24.gxf6+ Kxf6 25.Bg5+ Kg7 26.Qxh7# 1-0

Try taking Black and playing the Fajarowicz variation of the
Budapest. Today it played 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 Ne4 4. Qd5 Bb4+
5.Nc3?? Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bxc3+ 7.Bd2 Bxa1 and I'm sure you can handle it
from there.

Date: 08 Jun 2006 00:44:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Today the Programmers rectified the pawn advancement problem, because
of which pawn gets Trapped easily. Now the computer will not advance
pawns but only when it sees clear position.

I believe it will make the game a bit more difficult as the computer
will be thinking of Game instead of Pawn - Promotions.

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Let me know if you can win easily now. Now the Easy level will play
quite well, So no need to play with higher levels. And if you win tell
me the wrong move and also what should have been made inplace of it.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Date: 09 Jun 2006 00:25:05
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Sanny wrote:
> Today the Programmers rectified the pawn advancement problem, because
> of which pawn gets Trapped easily. Now the computer will not advance
> pawns but only when it sees clear position.
>
> I believe it will make the game a bit more difficult as the computer
> will be thinking of Game instead of Pawn - Promotions.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>
> Let me know if you can win easily now. Now the Easy level will play
> quite well, So no need to play with higher levels. And if you win tell
> me the wrong move and also what should have been made inplace of it.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>
It's still strategically clueless:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 d6 4.Nc3 Ng4 5.e4 e5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Be7 8.Nge2 0-0
9.Be3 Qb6 10.Qd2 Nfd7 11.g4 Qa5 12.Ng3 Qb6 13.h4 Nf6 14.f3 Ne8 15.0-0-0
Na6 16.Nf5 Bxf5 17.exf5 Qb4 18.Rdg1 Qa5 19.g5 Nb4 20.Bb1 Na6 21.f6 Bd8
22.fxg7 Kxg7 23.Qc2 f5 24.gxf6+ Kxf6 25.Bg5+ Kg7 26.Qxh7# 1-0

Date: 08 Jun 2006 19:58:55
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

>> Today the Programmers rectified the pawn advancement problem, because
>> of which pawn gets Trapped easily. Now the computer will not advance
>> pawns but only when it sees clear position.
>>
>> I believe it will make the game a bit more difficult as the computer
>> will be thinking of Game instead of Pawn - Promotions.
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>>
>> Let me know if you can win easily now. Now the Easy level will play
>> quite well, So no need to play with higher levels. And if you win tell
>> me the wrong move and also what should have been made inplace of it.
>>
>> Bye
>> Sanny
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>>
> It's still strategically clueless:
> 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 d6 4.Nc3 Ng4 5.e4 e5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Be7 8.Nge2 0-0
> 9.Be3 Qb6 10.Qd2 Nfd7 11.g4 Qa5 12.Ng3 Qb6 13.h4 Nf6 14.f3 Ne8 15.0-0-0
> Na6 16.Nf5 Bxf5 17.exf5 Qb4 18.Rdg1 Qa5 19.g5 Nb4 20.Bb1 Na6 21.f6 Bd8
> 22.fxg7 Kxg7 23.Qc2 f5 24.gxf6+ Kxf6 25.Bg5+ Kg7 26.Qxh7# 1-0

Whenever I see a post like this, it is not the computer I think of as
clueless.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 09 Jun 2006 08:22:14
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Ray Gordon wrote:
>>>Today the Programmers rectified the pawn advancement problem, because
>>>of which pawn gets Trapped easily. Now the computer will not advance
>>>pawns but only when it sees clear position.
>>>
>>>I believe it will make the game a bit more difficult as the computer
>>>will be thinking of Game instead of Pawn - Promotions.
>>>
>>>Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>>>
>>>Let me know if you can win easily now. Now the Easy level will play
>>>quite well, So no need to play with higher levels. And if you win tell
>>>me the wrong move and also what should have been made inplace of it.
>>>
>>>Bye
>>>Sanny
>>>
>>>Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>>>
>>
>>It's still strategically clueless:
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 d6 4.Nc3 Ng4 5.e4 e5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Be7 8.Nge2 0-0
>>9.Be3 Qb6 10.Qd2 Nfd7 11.g4 Qa5 12.Ng3 Qb6 13.h4 Nf6 14.f3 Ne8 15.0-0-0
>>Na6 16.Nf5 Bxf5 17.exf5 Qb4 18.Rdg1 Qa5 19.g5 Nb4 20.Bb1 Na6 21.f6 Bd8
>>22.fxg7 Kxg7 23.Qc2 f5 24.gxf6+ Kxf6 25.Bg5+ Kg7 26.Qxh7# 1-0
>
>
> Whenever I see a post like this, it is not the computer I think of as
> clueless.
>
>
Okay, there was no quick tactical win, but I think my play very nicely
highlighted the weaknesses in the computers play (all those pointless
queen and knight maneuvers - although it did not get to show off it's
tactical patheticness as in the funny game Taylor posted) and playing in
this style seems like a super safe way of beatng it.

So what are you complaining about? I don't think I even made any real
mistakes and I'd have won that position against most human players after
8...0-0 in a similar fashion (although they may at least have tried to
get some counter play).

Date: 09 Jun 2006 06:31:30
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

>> Whenever I see a post like this, it is not the computer I think of as
>> clueless.
>>
>>
> Okay, there was no quick tactical win, but I think my play very nicely
> highlighted the weaknesses in the computers play (all those pointless
> queen and knight maneuvers - although it did not get to show off it's
> tactical patheticness as in the funny game Taylor posted) and playing in
> this style seems like a super safe way of beatng it.
>
> So what are you complaining about? I don't think I even made any real
> mistakes

Other than sitting down to play the thing in the first place.

--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918

Date: 07 Jun 2006 12:29:10
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

The Problem has been rectified now you will not be able to trap easily.

However in Chess there are Infinite positions It may overlook a few
traps. Play again and let me know you could trap it.

Thanks for your Analysis

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html

Date: 08 Jun 2006 15:43:30
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> However in Chess there are Infinite positions It may overlook a few
> traps. Play again and let me know you could trap it.

Programming it to avoid traps one at a time is doomed to failure.
Traps should be avoided by accurate search.

Dave.

--
David Richerby Psychotic Sword (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ razor-sharp blade but it wants to
kill you!

Date: 07 Jun 2006 21:51:03
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Sanny wrote:
> The Problem has been rectified now you will not be able to trap easily.
>
> However in Chess there are Infinite positions It may overlook a few
> traps. Play again and let me know you could trap it.
>
> Thanks for your Analysis
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.softtanks.com/chessgame/Chess.html
>
program as black:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf6 Nc3 4.Bg5 dxc4 5.e4 h6 6.Be3 Bb4 7.f3 Bxc3 8.bxc3
b5 9.a4 bxa4 10.Bxc4 Bd7 11.Ne2 0-0 12.0-0 Nh7 13.f4 Qe8 14.Ng3 g5
15.Bd3 gxf4 16.Bxf4 Qc8 17.Bxh6 R8 18.Qg4+ Ng5 19.Qxg5+ Kh7 20.Qg7# 1-0

Date: 07 Jun 2006 18:55:21
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Chess game is beating everyone except a few players

Sanny wrote:
> Now, no one criticizes that it is playing weak moves. So now I cant
> improve the game further.

Actually it seems nobody has tested the program recently, once again it
is indulging in illegal moves (and as always a bit of strategic nonesense).

I just played it (as white) and the result was this:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Nf3 0-0
8.Be2 h5 9.0-0 Bh8 10.Bg5 c6 11.Rb1 Bf6 12.Kh1 Bxg5 13.Nxg5 Qa5 14.h4
Qxc3 15.Bxh5 gxh5 16.Qxh5 Bf5 17.exf5 Qh3+ 18.gxh3 Rc8 19.Qh7+ Kxh7

Okay, it seemed to play the first 3 or 4 moves from an opening book,
then made the most obvious moves for the next 3 moves, but 8...h5,
9...Bh8, 10...c6 and 11...Bf6 are just ridiculous moves.

Then the program fell for the silly little trap (okay, my 15.Bxh5 is not
even particularly good, but at that moment the program just didn't seem
to have any clue that it could get mated).

But the absolute highlight is the finish: 19...Kxh7 ???? That's just an
illegal move. You really need to make sure it actually knows the rules
of chess.

--Bj�rn