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Date: 22 May 2007 21:43:56
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Subject: Can you please help analyze this game?
I was playing white against the French defense.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Ne7 4.Bd3 Nbc6 5.Ngf3 { I think I should have
played c3 first to prevent Nb4}
Nb4 6.Be2 Ng6
7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bc2 f6 12.Nf1 Bd6
13.Ng3 a6 14.Ne2 Ng6 15.Be3 Nce7 16.Ng3 Bf4 17.Bxf4 Nxf4
18.e5 Neg6 19.Re3 Bd7 20.Ne2 f5 21.Ne1 Nxe2+ 22.Qxe2 b6
23.Nd3 Bb5 24.Qf3 Qg5 25.Qg3 Qxg3 26.Rxg3 c5 27.dxc5 Bxd3
28.Bxd3 bxc5 29.Re3 c4 30.Bc2 a5 31.b3 Rfc8 32.g3 cxb3
33.Bxb3 f4 34.gxf4 Nxf4 35.Kf1 Ng6 36.Rae1 Ra7 37.Rf3 Rac7
38.Ree3 Rc6 39.Ke2 Rb6 40.Kd2 Rb7 41.Re1 Rbb8 42.Rfe3 Rf8
43.Ke2 a4 44.Bxa4 Rb2+ 45.Kd1 Rxa2 46.Bd7 Nf4 47.Rf3 Rb8
48.Kc1 Ra1+ 0-1





 
Date: 20 Jun 2007 01:53:45
From:
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
I found one possible improvement in the above game.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Ne7 4.Bd3 Nbc6 5.Ngf3 Nb4 6.Be2 Ng6
7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bc2 f6 12.Nf1 Bd6
13.Ng3 a6 14.Ne2 Ng6 15.Be3 Nce7 16.Ng3 Bf4 17.Bxf4 Nxf4
18.e5 Neg6 19.Re3 Bd7 20.Ne2 f5 21.Ne1 Nxe2+ 22.Qxe2 b6
23.Nd3 Bb5 24.Qf3 Qg5 25.Qg3 Qxg3 26.Rxg3 c5 27.dxc5 Bxd3
28.Bxd3 bxc5
And now instead of 29.Re3 which I played, I think I could have played
29.c4 Nxe5 30.cxd5 Nxd3 31.Rxd3 exd5 32.Rxd5 which looks much better
for white. Only I am sure about the response to 30...exd5

Can anyone please comment?

Thanks
Sekhar Atteri



 
Date: 29 May 2007 08:17:31
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
>I was playing white against the French defense.
>
> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2

Try 3. Nc3, and if you can't handle that, switch to 3. exd5 or 3. e5.


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Date: 29 May 2007 16:07:48
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\" <[email protected] > wrote:
>> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2
>
> Try 3. Nc3, and if you can't handle that, switch to 3. exd5 or 3. e5.

Ray's advice for all players is ``Use a different opening.'' He won't
bother to comment on a game where you use his preferred line.


Dave.

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Date: 24 May 2007 19:52:16
From:
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
Thanks for the response!
You are right. I tried to analyze again and this time came up with
more alternatives.

12.e5
If 12...fxe5 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Rxe5 and then try to play against the
backward pawn on e6
Iif 12...f5 13.Nf1 Ng6 14.h3 aiming for Nh2, g4 and a pawn break on
the kingside.

Comments?

-Sekhar Atteri



  
Date: 25 May 2007 15:20:59
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
> Thanks for the response!
> You are right. I tried to analyze again and this time came up with
> more alternatives.
>
> 12.e5
> If 12...fxe5 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Rxe5 and then try to play against the
> backward pawn on e6
> Iif 12...f5 13.Nf1 Ng6 14.h3 aiming for Nh2, g4 and a pawn break on
> the kingside.
>
> Comments?
> -Sekhar Atteri

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Ne7 4.Bd3 Nbc6 5.Ngf3 Nb4 6.Be2 Ng6
7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bc2 f6 12.Nf1 Bd6
13.Ng3 a6 14.Ne2 Ng6 15.Be3 Nce7 16.Ng3 Bf4 17.Bxf4 Nxf4
18.e5 Neg6 19.Re3 Bd7 20.Ne2 f5 21.Ne1 Nxe2+ 22.Qxe2 b6
23.Nd3 Bb5 24.Qf3 Qg5 25.Qg3 Qxg3 26.Rxg3 c5 27.dxc5 Bxd3
28.Bxd3 bxc5 29.Re3 c4 30.Bc2 a5 31.b3 Rfc8 32.g3 cxb3
33.Bxb3 f4 34.gxf4 Nxf4 35.Kf1 Ng6 36.Rae1 Ra7 37.Rf3 Rac7
38.Ree3 Rc6 39.Ke2 Rb6 40.Kd2 Rb7 41.Re1 Rbb8 42.Rfe3 Rf8
43.Ke2 a4 44.Bxa4 Rb2+ 45.Kd1 Rxa2 46.Bd7 Nf4 47.Rf3 Rb8
48.Kc1 Ra1+ 0-1

You have three options in the center in move 12th:
1) Exchange exd5
2) Advance e5
3) Improve your pieces allowing black to play dxe4

- I think that exchange exd5 can be a good idea in some moment but if we
do that too soon we allow black to liberate his pieces (particulary the
c8 bishop)
- Advance e5 can be good too when a break in the king wing after ...f5
would be possible, but maybe not now
- In my opinion you should keep your pawn in e4 until there are concrete
advantages after e5 or exd5. White has an easier task improving his
pieces thanks to his space advantage. I would play 12.Nf1 or 12.Nb3 and
a serie of next moves can be Be3, Qd2, Rad1 (or Re2, Rae1 followed by exd5)

Antonio



   
Date: 25 May 2007 15:28:41
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
En/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:
> En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
>> 12.e5
>> If 12...fxe5 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Rxe5 and then try to play against the
>> backward pawn on e6
>> Iif 12...f5 13.Nf1 Ng6 14.h3 aiming for Nh2, g4 and a pawn break on
>> the kingside.
>>
>> Comments?
>> -Sekhar Atteri
>
> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Ne7 4.Bd3 Nbc6 5.Ngf3 Nb4 6.Be2 Ng6
> 7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bc2 f6 12.Nf1 Bd6

As I said, I prefer 12.Nf1 or 12.Nb3 and I would like to add that 12.e5
would be good in some cases but in this concrete one there are two
possible answers.

- To allow a weak pawn in e6 obtaining attacking chances in king wing
thanks to f file.
- To close the center with 12...f5.

In that case first option seems to concede black good atacking chances,
let's see: 12.e5 dxe5 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Rxe5 Bd6 15.Re3 (or Re1) e5!
16.dxe5 Qg5 (followed by Bxe5) and all black pieces are active and black
has good atacking options.

Antonio



 
Date: 23 May 2007 09:43:44
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Can you please help analyze this game?
En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
> I was playing white against the French defense.
>
> 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Ne7 4.Bd3 Nbc6 5.Ngf3 { I think I should have
> played c3 first to prevent Nb4} Nb4 6.Be2 Ng6
> 7.c3 Nc6 8.O-O Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bc2 f6 12.Nf1 Bd6
> 13.Ng3 a6 14.Ne2 Ng6 15.Be3 Nce7 16.Ng3 Bf4 17.Bxf4 Nxf4
> 18.e5 Neg6 19.Re3 Bd7 20.Ne2 f5 21.Ne1 Nxe2+ 22.Qxe2 b6
> 23.Nd3 Bb5 24.Qf3 Qg5 25.Qg3 Qxg3 26.Rxg3 c5 27.dxc5 Bxd3
> 28.Bxd3 bxc5 29.Re3 c4 30.Bc2 a5 31.b3 Rfc8 32.g3 cxb3
> 33.Bxb3 f4 34.gxf4 Nxf4 35.Kf1 Ng6 36.Rae1 Ra7 37.Rf3 Rac7
> 38.Ree3 Rc6 39.Ke2 Rb6 40.Kd2 Rb7 41.Re1 Rbb8 42.Rfe3 Rf8
> 43.Ke2 a4 44.Bxa4 Rb2+ 45.Kd1 Rxa2 46.Bd7 Nf4 47.Rf3 Rb8
> 48.Kc1 Ra1+ 0-1

I think you can improve much more analyzing yourself FIRST.

For example:
you menction: "I think I should have played c3 first to prevent Nb4"
lets see:
After 5.c3 Ng6 6.Ngf3 you have exactly the same position as after 5.Ngf3
Nb4 5.Be2 Ng6 7.c3 Nc6 8.Bd3.
The difference allowing Nb4 or not is not so great and I think white
should allow it with the move played because white maybe have better
moves than 8.Bd3 (like 8.0-0 as played in the game) and black has no
better options (than played).

If the best think black can expect is to obtain the SAME position it
seems that white do not need to prevent Nb4

Antonio