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Date: 25 Nov 2004 20:23:02
From: Avanti
Subject: Beginners game....
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1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 Nc6 3. Nf3 Qe7 4. Qd5 f6 5. exf6 Nxf6 6. Qb3 d5 7. e3 Bd7
8. Qxb7 Rb8 9. Qxc7 Qc5 10. b3 Bd6 11. Ba3 Qxe3+ 12. fxe3 Bxc7 13. Bc4 dxc4
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Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best continuation,
taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white, castling looks
effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth more than the piece?
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Date: 05 Dec 2004 12:39:37
From: Turbine2k5
Subject: Re: Beginners game....
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"Avanti" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> 1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 Nc6 3. Nf3 Qe7 4. Qd5 f6 5. exf6 Nxf6 6. Qb3 d5 7. e3 Bd7
> 8. Qxb7 Rb8 9. Qxc7 Qc5 10. b3 Bd6 11. Ba3 Qxe3+ 12. fxe3 Bxc7 13. Bc4 dxc4
> *
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> Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best continuation,
> taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white, castling looks
> effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth more than the piece?
A few hints:
1. 11. ... Qxe3+ was not as st as Qxc2
2. I would continue 14. bxc3 which would put you and black even. 14. ... Ba5+
15. Nd2 Bb4 16. Bxb4 Nxb4 really starting to shut white down. 17. c3 Nd3+
18. Kf1 O-O 19. Ne1 Nxe1 20. Kxe1 Rfe8 21. Ke2 Ng4 22. Rab1 Rxb1 23. Rxb1 Rxe3+
24. Kf1 Nxh2+ 25. Kg1 Re2 26. Rd1 Bc6 and you can do the rest.
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Date: 30 Nov 2004 18:26:20
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Beginners game....
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Avanti" <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 Nc6 3. Nf3 Qe7 4. Qd5 f6 5. exf6 Nxf6 6. Qb3 d5 7. e3 Bd7
> 8. Qxb7 Rb8 9. Qxc7 Qc5 10. b3 Bd6 11. Ba3 Qxe3+ 12. fxe3 Bxc7 13. Bc4 dxc4
> *
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> Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best continuation,
> taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white, castling looks
> effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth more than the piece?
14. 0-0 and and black's easiest resposne is probably just cxb3, and
white's got nothing.
The fact that black can't castle is irrelevant because the black king
is in no danger. In fact, even if black could castle (say the white
bishop was on b2) it's not clear that he should, since the king should
be used as a fighting piece in the endgame.
This might not strictly be an endgame yet, but black's position is
fundamentally solid so, without his queen, white really isn't in much of
a position to take advantage of the exposed black king. Heck, the white
king is in just as much danger thanks to all the pieces ready to jump
into the attack against the white monarch -- both bishops point that
way, Ng4 or Ne4 are options, as well as ideas like R(b8)b4-g4.
Black has a clear development advantage. Castling is not sufficient
compensation for the piece.
Resigning seems perfectly reasonable.
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Date: 25 Nov 2004 23:44:49
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Beginners game....
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Avanti <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Qd5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 6.Qb3 d5 7.e3 Bd7
> 8.Qxb7 Rb8 9.Qxc7 Qc5 10.b3 Bd6 11.Ba3 Qxe3+ 12.fxe3 Bxc7 13.Bc4 dxc4 *
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> Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best
> continuation, taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white,
> castling looks effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth more
> than the piece?
But White doesn't have three connected passed pawns...
Dave.
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Date: 26 Nov 2004 11:35:49
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: Beginners game....
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In news:L8C*[email protected],
David Richerby <[email protected] >wrote:
> Avanti <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Qd5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 6.Qb3 d5 7.e3 Bd7
>> 8.Qxb7 Rb8 9.Qxc7 Qc5 10.b3 Bd6 11.Ba3 Qxe3+ 12.fxe3 Bxc7 13.Bc4
>> dxc4 *
>>
>> Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best
>> continuation, taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white,
>> castling looks effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth
>> more than the piece?
>
> But White doesn't have three connected passed pawns...
Nor could White castle on move 13, and Black couldn't either (note the Ba3
attacks f8)..
13. Nbd2 or Bd3 look ok at a first glance.
Stephan
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Date: 26 Nov 2004 14:31:55
From: Avanti
Subject: Re: Beginners game....
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"Stephan Bird" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:L8C*[email protected],
> David Richerby <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Avanti <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Qd5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 6.Qb3 d5 7.e3 Bd7
> >> 8.Qxb7 Rb8 9.Qxc7 Qc5 10.b3 Bd6 11.Ba3 Qxe3+ 12.fxe3 Bxc7 13.Bc4
> >> dxc4 *
> >>
> >> Obviously white had blundered on move 13 but what is the best
> >> continuation, taking the pawn back imediately looks lost for white,
> >> castling looks effective as 3 connected pawns must surely be worth
> >> more than the piece?
> >
> > But White doesn't have three connected passed pawns...
>
> Nor could White castle on move 13, and Black couldn't either (note the Ba3
> attacks f8)..
>
> 13. Nbd2 or Bd3 look ok at a first glance.
>
> Stephan
Thanks for the replies, I was wondering on a move 14. for white.
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