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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:53:58
From: Sanny
Subject: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
Till now Nomorechess had lost only 2 games out of 150 Games he has
played at GetClub Chess. But today the Beginner Level beat Nomorechess
Twice. So he has lost total 4 Games,

So GetClub Chess has become much stronger that it was earlier.
Nomorechess lost in 2 out of 5 Games he played with Beginner Level
Today !!!

Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Thats Great, So how good will Easy & Normal Levels Play.

I am waiting to see more wins against other players.

Where are those players who said My Program can never beat a Player.
Now you all will get beaten by GetClub Chess. Ha Ha Ha.

Still Zebediah & Taylor kingston might win the Master Level as they
are very tough players. But GetClub Chess is going to win most of
other players.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 06 Sep 2007 09:00:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
> I think the program is playing reasonably well,
> although I must admit that I somehow missed the
> ultra-obvious 7.Bc4 killer.
>

I saw the game you were rook down, Still you won. That was a good luck
or your Plan.

Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8806&game=Chess

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 06 Sep 2007 00:36:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 5, 6:26 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > way of compensation. Your program handled
> > this quite well, and so here I am, down a pawn
> > as White and just wingin' it! LOL
>
> So this time Master is ahead of you.

Right, it was up a pawn because in the King's Gambit,
White sac's a pawn to get a strong initiative and play
down the f-file.

I had a book just lying here, so while the program was
thinking I picked it up and looked up the line we were
playing; note that I know virtually nothing about this
opening, am was merely experimenting to see what
would happen once we left the computer's book.

Here is what GM Kotchnoi & Zak had to say --

The Kieseritsky (a player who analyzed this line well
over 100 years ago!) Gambit:

1.e4 e5
2.f4 ef
3.Nf3 g5
4.h4 g4
5.Ne5

(I was very lucky to get this far without doing something
stupid.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now they list eight possibilities, one of which was...

5. ...d5
6.d4! Nf6
7.Bxf4 Nxe4

...and White later castles Queenside. This line was
analyzed by someone called "Caro" and later by GM
Keres as better for White.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But in my game, the program did not develop with
6. ...Nf6, but instead captured on e4 with the pawn.
The book was no help whatever, except that I decided
to go ahead and play GM Kortchnoi/Zak's Bxf4 just the
same. So, we have:

5.Ne5 d5
6.d4 de?
7.Bxf4?

Probably, the fact that I was fiddling with the book and
not yet focusing on the board accounts for how I forgot
my previous analysis, which was that 6.de allowed
7.Bc4!, wrecking Black's pawns. Uhg.


7. ...Nc6

...when Black presents several problems for his
opponent to solve. Trade on c6 and the doubled pawns
mean very little, since Black has blunted the force of the
attack and is still up a pawn. Retreat is unthinkable
(see Napolean's "Waterloo" or almost anyone's writings
where their armies are backed against the sea), so it is
onward! Return with one's shield or (dead) upon it.

8.Bb5

The one drawback to this move is that the pin can be
broken immediately by...

8. ...Bd7
9.Nxd7 Qxd7

And here I thought that Black's ability to castle
Queenside was likely (I can't calculate all this) to
nullify the immediate d5 thrust, so I developed another
piece.

10.Nc3


I think the program is playing reasonably well,
although I must admit that I somehow missed the
ultra-obvious 7.Bc4 killer.


-- help bot






 
Date: 05 Sep 2007 04:26:55
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
> way of compensation. Your program handled
> this quite well, and so here I am, down a pawn
> as White and just wingin' it! LOL
>
So this time Master is ahead of you.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 05 Sep 2007 03:38:10
From: help bot
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 5, 2:28 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> I told you earlier do not Play with Advance Level. Advance level takes
> 2-3 days to complete.

Oh, I wasn't complaining. Like I said before, at least
the program was moving (eventually). I'm used to this
incredible slowness by now. In fact, as I am typing
this post, I am playing your master level and reading
a magazine, alternating back and forth.


> Zebediah is on Killing Spree he has beaten Master Level more than
> others have beaten Beginner Level. I need to do something for him.
> Else Master will soon take below 500 Rating. While Beginner is at 850.

Yeah, well, I've pointed that out several times before;
the chess program should have a *fixed* rating, based
on its actual strength. Only human players should
have floating ratings, since their ratings are a measure
of recent results relative to one another (and to the
chess program).

Here's an example:

Beginner level -- 1300

Easy level -- 1400

Intermediate level -- 1500

Master level -- 1600

Advance level -- 1700


Now, no matter how many times a level loses,
it should hold steady at the level you know it
plays at. That is because it does not learn or
unlearn; it does not have good form or poor; it
plays the same, so long as the chess program
itself is not modified over time. At any rate, this
is how things would work if the program were
not so buggy.

Think of it this way:

pebble -- one ounce

stone -- six ounces

rock -- one pound

boulder -- 100 pounds

Now, if Zebediah weighs 175 pounds and he
outweighs (beats) the boulder, how much does
the boulder weigh? That's right! It still weighs
exactly 100 pounds. Nothing Zebediah can do
will change how much the boulder weighs,
unless he rents a jackhammer and attacks it.

By the way, I am not trying to carefully out-
play the master level right now; to the contrary,
I chose to play the King's Gamibit: a risky
opening I know almost nothing about, although
I do have a book here which said I needed to
play "d4!" after the program's ...d5 (a position
I have never even seen before). It goes without
saying that after this exclam move, the analysis
leaves the reader hanging off a cliff by not even
mentioning what the program played next. IMO,
the analysis should have covered this, as Black
is up a pawn and there is nothing obvious in the
way of compensation. Your program handled
this quite well, and so here I am, down a pawn
as White and just wingin' it! LOL


-- help bot





 
Date: 05 Sep 2007 00:28:10
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
> I am a bit worn out from that last game, which took
> the entire night and all morning to finish despite ending
> with an elementary back rank mate. Maybe I will play
> a faster-moving level, but your idea of the odds is way,
> way off. All I have to do is take the program seriously,
> regard it as I would any other computerchessprogram,
> and I will not lose but once in a blue moon. If I play
> quickly, as I would in blitzchessagainst humans, I
> could lose maybe 20-30% of the time.

I told you earlier do not Play with Advance Level. Advance level takes
2-3 days to complete.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Just play with Master Level, If you want to finish game in a day.

Play with Normal if you want to finish a game in 4 hours.

Play game with Easy if you want to finish in 1-2 hours.

Play game with Beginner if you want to finish in 20-30 minutes.

Zebediah is on Killing Spree he has beaten Master Level more than
others have beaten Beginner Level. I need to do something for him.
Else Master will soon take below 500 Rating. While Beginner is at 850.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html






 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 23:54:18
From: help bot
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 5, 12:47 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> I analysed the game you played. The reasion Advance level gave Knight
> was a miscalculation. It overlooked the Mate in 1 threath and took
> your Pawn with Knight.
>
> Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> 19. Nxd5 cxd5
> 20.Qxd5 Bg4
> 21. Rxd4 Qe1+
> 22. Kh1
>
> It just looked 7 moves ahead and overlooked that Qxh1 in 8th move.
>
> Play again with Master Level. And I am sure this time it will beat
> you.

LOL!


I am a bit worn out from that last game, which took
the entire night and all morning to finish despite ending
with an elementary back rank mate. Maybe I will play
a faster-moving level, but your idea of the odds is way,
way off. All I have to do is take the program seriously,
regard it as I would any other computer chess program,
and I will not lose but once in a blue moon. If I play
quickly, as I would in blitz chess against humans, I
could lose maybe 20-30% of the time.


-- help bot




 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 22:47:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level

> > At 20th move you are Knight+ thats
> > great. Is it playing even bad than Beginner Level?
>
> Hard to say, as the program played very well in the
> opening, had a nice position but then gave me a free
> piece for no reason.
>

Today Beginner Level won 2 games against two players.

In one game it won in just 10 Moves. against stalkative

Recorded Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8716&game=Chess

and in other game Beginner beat apple3feet. So now I am seeing losses
by players every day. Earlier It used to happen once in a month. Now I
am seeing 2 losses every day. (That too with Beginner Level.)

I analysed the game you played. The reasion Advance level gave Knight
was a miscalculation. It overlooked the Mate in 1 threath and took
your Pawn with Knight.

Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

19. Nxd5 cxd5
20.Qxd5 Bg4
21. Rxd4 Qe1+
22. Kh1

It just looked 7 moves ahead and overlooked that Qxh1 in 8th move.

Play again with Master Level. And I am sure this time it will beat
you. With Master level you have 30% chances of winning. (1 in 3)

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html







 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 20:58:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 4, 9:52 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> The number on screen which I took as an indication
>
> > of the depth of search, "Thinking on Queen (17)", is
> > obviously not, unless that is a *selective* search. The
> > back rank mate should be seen at ply five or so:
>
> Queen(17) means it is thinking on Queen for 17 level deep.

What does this mean, "seventeen level deep"?
Are you saying it is looking ahead 17 (half-)moves,
but misses simple tactics as below?


> > 1) Rd1??
> > 2) Bxd4
> > 3) Rxd4
> > 4) Qe1+
> > 5) shucks, I have no legal move!
>
> You are winning or you are losing?

Winning. A free piece capture on d4.


> At 20th move you are Knight+ thats
> great. Is it playing even bad than Beginner Level?

Hard to say, as the program played very well in the
opening, had a nice position but then gave me a free
piece for no reason.


-- help bot





 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 07:55:33
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level

> You are winning or you are losing? At 20th move you are Knight+ thats
> great. Is it playing even bad than Beginner Level?
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

You should refresh your browser after every move. and restart computer
after 4-5 moves. As when computer runs for hours together they become
a bit buggy. Should give them little rest after 5-6 hours.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





  
Date: 04 Sep 2007 11:53:29
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
Sanny wrote:
>> You are winning or you are losing? At 20th move you are Knight+ thats
>> great. Is it playing even bad than Beginner Level?
>>
>> Bye
>> Sanny
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> You should refresh your browser after every move. and restart computer
> after 4-5 moves. As when computer runs for hours together they become
> a bit buggy. Should give them little rest after 5-6 hours.
>

That's not a property of *computers" - it's a property of YOUR PROGRAM.

fix it.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/


 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 07:52:23
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
The number on screen which I took as an indication
> of the depth of search, "Thinking on Queen (17)", is
> obviously not, unless that is a *selective* search. The
> back rank mate should be seen at ply five or so:

Queen(17) means it is thinking on Queen for 17 level deep.

>
> 1) Rd1??
> 2) Bxd4
> 3) Rxd4
> 4) Qe1+
> 5) shucks, I have no legal move!
>

You are winning or you are losing? At 20th move you are Knight+ thats
great. Is it playing even bad than Beginner Level?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 07:25:18
From: help bot
Subject: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 4, 2:56 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Much to my surprise, the old "Advanced" level is back;
> > So now I am playing against the toughest, meanest,
> > baddest level of the most "improved" program there
> > ever was!
>
> Do not play with Advance It takes 30min - 60 min/ move.
>
> > It's a (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w) Sicilian Defense, and already I
> > had one opportunity to get clobbered tactically, but I
> > managed to avoid it; a neat trick after White's Nxd4 is
> > ...Qc7, Re1+ Be7, Bg5 O-O?, Nxc6!, as my Queen
> > would be overworked. Maybe I should have played
> > another Caro-Kann instead? Will I be able to handle
> > all these tactics and get to a Rook ending (where
> > stupidchessprograms really strut their stuff)? Stay
> > tuned... .
>
> I am sure you will loose the Battle against Advance Level.
>
> I thought you will play with Master level with your 30% winning
> chances.
>
> For Advance your chances of winning is just 20%. But Advance will take
> 2-3 days to complete.


This sounds about right, as the program was taking
f-o-r-e-v-e-r to move, but at least it does move. I was
having some difficulty in the late opening, because
although I "won the minor exchange" (as Bobby
Fischer called it when you trade your Knight for a
Bishop), I had some weak squares, like c5 and d6 and
even d4, since I could not safely kick the Knight away
from there due to nasty tactical problems (...c5?, Rxe7!
Qxe7, Nxd5 -- bam, I am pinned, forked, and
embarrassed, all in one fell swoop!).

But now things have changed, and I still can't figure
out why the program allowed me to capture a Knight
for free, even if it had a sacrifice on d5 which it thought
would regain some material later. There were several
different ways to defend the loose Knight on d4, but it
just let me take it; very odd. It's as if it does not see
tactics against itself, but only attacking moves which
strike the opponent (like some weak human players).
I am a full piece up now, at something like move 20.
(That's another miniature, but of course it will not
resign until mate-next-move, so it looks like a normal
length game. I did not see ...B-g4 in advance, but
would have taken the Knight on d4 in any case.)

The number on screen which I took as an indication
of the depth of search, "Thinking on Queen (17)", is
obviously not, unless that is a *selective* search. The
back rank mate should be seen at ply five or so:

1) Rd1??
2) Bxd4
3) Rxd4
4) Qe1+
5) shucks, I have no legal move!


-- help bot



 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 00:56:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
> > > Oh well. Just to make Sanny happy, I am going to
> > > go toGetClubright now and start a game against one
> > > of the lowest-rated but strongest levels he's got, and
> > > take the game seriously. Let's see what happens... .


Lets see if Master Level can beat you or not.

> Much to my surprise, the old "Advanced" level is back;
> So now I am playing against the toughest, meanest,
> baddest level of the most "improved" program there
> ever was!

Do not play with Advance It takes 30min - 60 min/ move.

> It's a (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w) Sicilian Defense, and already I
> had one opportunity to get clobbered tactically, but I
> managed to avoid it; a neat trick after White's Nxd4 is
> ...Qc7, Re1+ Be7, Bg5 O-O?, Nxc6!, as my Queen
> would be overworked. Maybe I should have played
> another Caro-Kann instead? Will I be able to handle
> all these tactics and get to a Rook ending (where
> stupidchessprograms really strut their stuff)? Stay
> tuned... .


I am sure you will loose the Battle against Advance Level.

I thought you will play with Master level with your 30% winning
chances.

For Advance your chances of winning is just 20%. But Advance will take
2-3 days to complete.

As it will take 30-60 Minutes per move. And for some moves it may take
2 hours also.

Recently a game improvement was done. So just close your browser and
restart your game, then it will play better moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 04 Sep 2007 00:18:15
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
On Sep 4, 12:59 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Oh well. Just to make Sanny happy, I am going to
> > go to GetClub right now and start a game against one
> > of the lowest-rated but strongest levels he's got, and
> > take the game seriously. Let's see what happens... .
>
> > -- help bot
>
> Lets see if Master Level can beat you or not.
>
> Play at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Here is my feeling about game strength.
>
> With Beginner you will win 5/6 Games.
> 1 out of 6 games will be won by Beginner Level
>
> With Easy you will win 4/6 Games.
> 2 out of 6 games will be won by Easy Level
>
> With Normal you will win 3/6 Games
> 3 out of 6 games will be won by Normal Level
>
> With Master you will win 2/6 Games.
> 4 out of 6 games will be won by Master Level


Much to my surprise, the old "Advanced" level is back;
So now I am playing against the toughest, meanest,
baddest level of the most "improved" program there
ever was!

It's a (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w) Sicilian Defense, and already I
had one opportunity to get clobbered tactically, but I
managed to avoid it; a neat trick after White's Nxd4 is
...Qc7, Re1+ Be7, Bg5 O-O?, Nxc6!, as my Queen
would be overworked. Maybe I should have played
another Caro-Kann instead? Will I be able to handle
all these tactics and get to a Rook ending (where
stupid chess programs really strut their stuff)? Stay
tuned... .


-- help bot





 
Date: 03 Sep 2007 22:59:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
On Sep 4, 6:00 am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 10:09 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Nomorechess took 80 Moves to beat Beginner Level
>
> > See this Recorded Gamehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8545&game=Chess
>
> > I have seen such a long game of 80 moves for the first time.
>
> You know, it is amazing that each time Sanny writes
> about one of my recent games, I know exactly which
> one he is talking about. Often I will go for an ending
> and even deliberately make bad trades (QxN+, KxQ)
> in order to simplify to a more elementary win. This has
> the drawback of looking bad, and of making games last
> longer, but I don't care.
> I handle these much as I would a blitz game against
> a human opponent (who, unlike Sanny's program, will
> often resign when their chances of a swindle are
> quashed).
>
> Oh well. Just to make Sanny happy, I am going to
> go to GetClub right now and start a game against one
> of the lowest-rated but strongest levels he's got, and
> take the game seriously. Let's see what happens... .
>
> -- help bot

Lets see if Master Level can beat you or not.

Play at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Here is my feeling about game strength.

With Beginner you will win 5/6 Games.
1 out of 6 games will be won by Beginner Level

With Easy you will win 4/6 Games.
2 out of 6 games will be won by Easy Level

With Normal you will win 3/6 Games
3 out of 6 games will be won by Normal Level

With Master you will win 2/6 Games.
4 out of 6 games will be won by Master Level

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 03 Sep 2007 18:00:19
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
On Sep 3, 10:09 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Nomorechess took 80 Moves to beat Beginner Level
>
> See this Recorded Gamehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8545&game=Chess
>
> I have seen such a long game of 80 moves for the first time.


You know, it is amazing that each time Sanny writes
about one of my recent games, I know exactly which
one he is talking about. Often I will go for an ending
and even deliberately make bad trades (QxN+, KxQ)
in order to simplify to a more elementary win. This has
the drawback of looking bad, and of making games last
longer, but I don't care.
I handle these much as I would a blitz game against
a human opponent (who, unlike Sanny's program, will
often resign when their chances of a swindle are
quashed).

Oh well. Just to make Sanny happy, I am going to
go to GetClub right now and start a game against one
of the lowest-rated but strongest levels he's got, and
take the game seriously. Let's see what happens... .


-- help bot



 
Date: 03 Sep 2007 17:53:21
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
On Sep 3, 9:55 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > In order to get a feel for the program's strength, you need
> > to look beyond the raw score and play through the games;
> > in many cases, it is miniaturized (or plays on in what ought
> > to have been a resigned miniature). For the record, I do not
> > get miniaturized like that except once in a blue moon. If I
> > wanted to play a dull, 100 move game I could be very careful
> > and win every game on technique, but the program is so
> > slow I would die of old age before finishing more than just a
> > few games. I do know enough to run it out of book in some
> > main line Caro-Kann or Sicilians, but I wanted to test it sans
> > book, and so I played some passive moves to accomplish
> > that. When I did play carefully, against the master level, I
> > won fairly easily, just like before.
>
> Oh, you were testing, I saw you just gave your Rook for Bishop But
> later fork his Queen. But Computer was able to play a Queen move with
> Mate in 1.


You are of course referring to the game where I had
White and played a sort of perverse Larsen Attack, but
lost my QB. In that game I deliberately chose to muck
up my pawns in order to launch a Reti-like attack on g7,
expecting to later offer up my Queen for a routine
windmill (White Bishop on b2: Rxg7!, Black captures
the White Queen, White plays Rg6 mate or sweeps
the entire seventh rank with discovered checks).
I lost, not because I made so many small errors, but
because after ...Qxf3 and Rg8, I thought I could play
Rg3 -- missing that it would be pinned at that point.
>From then on, there was no way to put up a fight. I
underestimated the program; took it very lightly.

Just look at the move times and note what is going
on: while I am in many games (not that one, I suspect)
playing like ten minute blitz chess, the program is
taking a long time in the middle game, so I switch to
looking at something else. Where it may appear I
have taken ten+ minutes to move, that indicates a
disconnect, of which there are many. Were it not for
the loud signal when the program finally moves, I
simply could not play there at all.

I find it amusing that Sanny keeps bragging about
these wins while ignoring all the games where I have
miniaturized the program. A miniature is a game
ending in fewer than say, twenty or twenty-five moves.
Obviously, the program can play on until mate-in-one,
but losing a piece or more in the first twenty moves
is not the hallk of a great chess program.

At ChessWorld.net I am playing several newcomers
like myself, who started off with a rating of 1400.
Several have dropped to 1000 or even lower already,
due to that site's massive K-factor, or weighting of
each game versus one's current rating. These guys
lose in much the same way as Sanny's program
does: very quickly once they are out of their book
knowledge. One fellow played a Pirc Defense, and
before he could even get his "counterattack" off the
ground, was simply going to be checkmated. Even
the game where I was *busted* right in the opening
(a Latvian Gambit), I now have the upper hand.

So, what is the difference? Sanny's program will play
moves like B-d2 or B-d7, essentially doing nothing,
while human players will often self-destruct, and this
makes his program tougher to beat. The program
appears to see a couple-three moves ahead tactically,
except when itself being mated.


-- help bot





 
Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:09:39
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
Nomorechess took 80 Moves to beat Beginner Level

See this Recorded Game
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8545&game=Chess

I have seen such a long game of 80 moves for the first time.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date: 14 Sep 2007 09:23:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
> In one of my games at ChessWorld, my opponent
> played a Pirc Defense and I was able to pull off almost
> exactly the same kind of trick as in the Umstead game:
> I checked him with N-e7, he played ...K-h8 (only legal
> move), I sac'ed Rxh7+, he captured my Rook with his
> King, I checked with my remaining Rook at h1, and he
> resigned because he must interpose a piece after which
> I will capture it and then mate his King. In effect, not
> only do my pieces coordinate (almost) perfectly, but
> his serve to block the key squares his King needed
> for an escape route.
>

Good Job,

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date: 06 Sep 2007 20:05:39
From: help bot
Subject: Re: help bot DEMOLISHES Advance level
On Sep 6, 11:00 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > I think the program is playing reasonably well,
> > although I must admit that I somehow missed the
> > ultra-obvious 7.Bc4 killer.
>
> I saw the game you were rook down, Still you won. That was a good luck
> or your Plan.


Well no, I did not "hang" my Rook, if that is what you
are asking.

In the August 2007 issue of Chess Life, which I have
been reading lately, there was an article called "The
Umstead Attack" where a weak player like myself drew
a grandmaster. In that game, NM Umstead played a
different opening, but I was amazed that he was able
to attain a winning position with such "quiet moves" as
Q-d2 and Qf4. Though he mucked up the easy part
and only drew as a result, I found the idea compelling,
and adopted it in my game at GetClub. The alternatives
were unappealing since Black was up a pawn and my
own King was certainly not safe. Even the endgame
looked horrible for me, so why not sac' my Rook for a
promising attack? It worked out (just barely) and I won.

A very interesting experience for me, and I don't think
I will be playing the King's Gambit much anymore as I
don't like it. Even a GM Tal would not be comfortable
if you took all the pieces in a bucket, shook them up
and then dumped them randomly on the chess board,
and that is how I feel, to a certain extent, about this
opening. I prefer positional play.


In one of my games at ChessWorld, my opponent
played a Pirc Defense and I was able to pull off almost
exactly the same kind of trick as in the Umstead game:
I checked him with N-e7, he played ...K-h8 (only legal
move), I sac'ed Rxh7+, he captured my Rook with his
King, I checked with my remaining Rook at h1, and he
resigned because he must interpose a piece after which
I will capture it and then mate his King. In effect, not
only do my pieces coordinate (almost) perfectly, but
his serve to block the key squares his King needed
for an escape route.


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Date: 03 Sep 2007 07:55:35
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.
> Because of frequent disconnects and the s-l-o-w-n-e-s-s
> of the program, I have been playing "blitz" against the
> quickest (and oddly, highest-rated) level lately. It is very
> dangerous in crazy positions; twice (probably many more) I
> miscalculated a complex combination, resulting in loss
> of a Rook or minor piece. But sometimes the program will
> just hang something for no reason. I have been deliberately
> playing weird moves to take it out of book early on, and this
> has the drawback that in spite of the program's mishandling
> of these positions, I too have sometimes done just the same
> because I have a hard-to-play position.

So, Nomorechess is still on top. He played blitz game with beginner
level thinking it as weak as it was earlier. But now you can no more
play simple moves else GetClub Chess will beat you if you do so.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I think Nomorechess also can beat Master Level, But only in a serious
Match. But now you cannot win at getclub without giving full attention
to the game else the GetClub Chess will win.

Still there is hope for Nomorechess to go ahead and take higher
ratings.

>
> In order to get a feel for the program's strength, you need
> to look beyond the raw score and play through the games;
> in many cases, it is miniaturized (or plays on in what ought
> to have been a resigned miniature). For the record, I do not
> get miniaturized like that except once in a blue moon. If I
> wanted to play a dull, 100 move game I could be very careful
> and win every game on technique, but the program is so
> slow I would die of old age before finishing more than just a
> few games. I do know enough to run it out of book in some
> main line Caro-Kann or Sicilians, but I wanted to test it sans
> book, and so I played some passive moves to accomplish
> that. When I did play carefully, against the master level, I
> won fairly easily, just like before.

Oh, you were testing, I saw you just gave your Rook for Bishop But
later fork his Queen. But Computer was able to play a Queen move with
Mate in 1.

Play a serious Match with Higher Levels and let me know if you can
beat them or not.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 03 Sep 2007 05:28:09
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Beginner Level beat Nomorechess Twice on same day.

Sanny wrote:

> Till now Nomorechess had lost only 2 games out of 150 Games he has
> played at GetClub Chess. But today the Beginner Level beat Nomorechess
> Twice. So he has lost total 4 Games,
>
> So GetClub Chess has become much stronger that it was earlier.


(Or maybe Nomo has gotten weaker?!!) : >D


> Nomorechess lost in 2 out of 5 Games he played with Beginner Level
> Today !!!
>
> Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Thats Great, So how good will Easy & Normal Levels Play.
>
> I am waiting to see more wins against other players.


Because of frequent disconnects and the s-l-o-w-n-e-s-s
of the program, I have been playing "blitz" against the
quickest (and oddly, highest-rated) level lately. It is very
dangerous in crazy positions; twice (probably many more) I
miscalculated a complex combination, resulting in loss
of a Rook or minor piece. But sometimes the program will
just hang something for no reason. I have been deliberately
playing weird moves to take it out of book early on, and this
has the drawback that in spite of the program's mishandling
of these positions, I too have sometimes done just the same
because I have a hard-to-play position.

In order to get a feel for the program's strength, you need
to look beyond the raw score and play through the games;
in many cases, it is miniaturized (or plays on in what ought
to have been a resigned miniature). For the record, I do not
get miniaturized like that except once in a blue moon. If I
wanted to play a dull, 100 move game I could be very careful
and win every game on technique, but the program is so
slow I would die of old age before finishing more than just a
few games. I do know enough to run it out of book in some
main line Caro-Kann or Sicilians, but I wanted to test it sans
book, and so I played some passive moves to accomplish
that. When I did play carefully, against the master level, I
won fairly easily, just like before.

I have been doing this wild attacking style thing on
RedHotPawn and ChessWorld against humans, and the
results were that I now have very interesting games! But I
also have a very few games where I went wrong and got killed
very quickly because some of my opponents take these
games very seriously and no doubt research "megabase" to
find a winning plan. Many of my wild attacking games result
in a miniature victory for me, which is odd because, for
instance, I know nothing about the Pirc yet I destroyed it very
easily as White. In another ChessWorld game I played the
Latvian Gambit as Black, which again, I know absolutely
nothing about but when you are "busted" right in the opening
you tend to learn quickly. : >D


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