Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

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Date: 28 Aug 2007 09:31:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

I find it difficult to complete games in time. So a bit of strength
was decreased to improve game speed.

I would like to know is the playing strength ok or you want a much
stronger opponent?

Play a game and tell me
http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

If I increase its stregth then it will think longer. Please let me
know your opinion. What should be improved further.

The Time taken by move or the Play Strength?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Sep 2007 21:23:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Sep 2, 5:24 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 1:45 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 1.May be: Your system do not have Java Virtual Machine.
> > In such case download java JVM fromhttp://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp
>
> Finally, Sanny comes up with a relevant suggestion. That did the
> trick.

Is it working now?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Sep 2007 17:24:17
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Sep 1, 1:45 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> 1.May be: Your system do not have Java Virtual Machine.
> In such case download java JVM fromhttp://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp

Finally, Sanny comes up with a relevant suggestion. That did the
trick.

Date: 01 Sep 2007 14:06:37
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

GetClub master level vs. help bot:

1.d4 c6

2.Nf3 d5

3.Nc3 Nf6

4.Bf4 Bf5

5.Nh4 Bc8

6.Nf3 Bg4

7.Ne5 Bf5 (Ahhhh, home at last!)

8.h4 e6

9.e3 h6

10.g4 Bh7

11.Be2 Bb4

12.O-O Bxc3

13.bxc3 Ne4

> 14.Nf3? (An awful move.)

>> 14. Nf3 was played to save h4 Pawn. As Queen could take h4 pawn and
>> attack White's King. Either way now way to save a pawn.

Ah, but that was not the *priy* threat.

The main threat was ...Nxc3, snatching a pawn and
forking the Queen and Bishop; Tally one point for the
pawn, and then add a bit more for winning the minor
exchange (Bishop for Knight).

Of all the men on the chessboard, the least valuable
of them all is the lowly Rook-pawn. Consider that if
Black grabs this pawn (I would!) and later castles on
the king-side (I would), the open file can be used for
an attack (which would likely fail, because of my
amazing defensive skills). White simply plays K-g2
and then R-h1, and he owns the h-file.

This is very similar to where, later in this game,
White played R/a-b1, applying pressure to Black's
(extra) pawn at b7. Every time a pawn is hung like
that, there is a tiny bit of compensation in the form
of a half-opened file for the Rooks. Ignoring the
priy threat while tending to a secondary one is
evidence of a lack of "understanding" of chess
fundamentals.

Let's suppose, for simplicity's sake, that your
program likes to do integer math, for some reason
or other. A pawn might be counted as 10 points,
a Knight as 30, and a Queen as 900+. So then a
Rook-pawn should be discounted a bit (except if
it is certain to promote, in which case it is just as
good as its brothers). The fact (whine all you want,
Knight lovers), I said FACT that Bishops are a bit
superior to Knights can be reflected in this system
by going up to, say, somewhere between 31 and
33 -- but not too high, because then exchanges
involving the Queen vs. minor pieces will be thrown
all out of whack.

Another item to consider is that Black has given
up one of his Bishops in order to inflict damage on
White's infrastructure. This leaves White with the
Bishop pair, which can be very handy indeed. Here,
Black may come to dominate the light squares, but
White has the upper-hand on the dark squares, and
it's just good business to keep one's best men on
the payroll; I am talking about White's light-squared
Bishop, of course. It's not for nothing that in piece-
odds games, it is the Queen's Knight which is
removed from the board; while all pieces might be
equal in God's eyes, that one is a little less equal
than others, and this applies in reverse to the KB,
which is just a little "more equal" than her brethren.

Another mistake to avoid is simplification. This is a
bad idea when one has just lost a pawn, and the more
so when playing computer vs. human, for humans are
less likely to err in simpler positions than in complex
ones. Thus, I prefer 14.Qe1 to avoid any trades, but
also reasonable was 14.c4 or 14.Bd3. A Rook-pawn
is not likely going to decide the outcome; piece play
probably will.

-- help bot

Date: 01 Sep 2007 08:39:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> Ne4 14.Nf3? (An awful move.) ...Nxc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 O-O 17.R/

14. Nf3 was played to save h4 Pawn. As Queen could take h4 pawn and
attack White's King. Either way now way to save a pawn.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Sep 2007 03:54:58
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 7:04 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Could you do complete analysis of the game played between you and
> Master Level which you won.
>
> Here is recorded Gamehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8257&game=Chess

Okay. (Fritz says I should avoid discussing the part where
I took seven hours and fourteen moves to finally get up the
courage to play ...g5!, but then, I never listen.):

GetClub master level - help bot
---------------------------------------------

This game took many, many hours, as the chess program was not only
deathly
slow, but there were random disconnects requiring a dozen or so re-
starts. 1.d4
(I wanted to take the program out of book as early as possible, so...)
1. ...c6.
2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 (Blocking the QB-pawn like this can lead to a slight
cramp, and
White may have to compensate later by extraordinary measures such as p-
f3,
for instance.) ...Nf6 4.Bf4 Bf5 5.Nh4 Bc8 (This sort of thing
prevents Black
from smoothly developing the QB to f5 -- unless he just wants a draw
by
repetition.) 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Ne5 Bf5 8.h4 (This may look silly, but it
requires an
accurate response.) ...e6 9.e3 h6 (Not quite good enough. Black
might
perhaps improve by playing ...Nbd7 at move 8.) 10.g4! Bh7 (Now White
should
follow through with 11.g5! hg 12.hg Bxc2 13.Qxc2 Rxh1 14.gxf6 gxf6,
when
White is better because his two pieces are somewhat superior to the
Rook and
two pawns, one of which is doubled. I should have looked at this
possibility
more carefully.) 11.Be2 Bb4 12.O-O? (Ignoring the threat.) ...Bxc3
13.bxc3
Ne4 14.Nf3? (An awful move.) ...Nxc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 O-O 17.R/
a-b1
b6 18.Kh1? (Another simply awful move.) ...Be4! 19.g5 hg 20.Bxg5
f6 21.Bf4
e5 (White cannot hereafter open the f-file due to the pin on his
Knight.) 22.Bg3
Qe8 23.Kg2 Qh5 (The game is, for all intents and purposes, already
over here,
barring any horrible blunders by Black.) 24.a4 Nd7 25.Rg1 R/a-e8
26.Rb3 Re6
27.Qd1 Rf7 28.c3 Nf8 29.Qe2 g5 (It's about time! This could have
been played
at any time, but I wanted more than just g5-g4, netting the pinned
Knight, where
in some lines the White King might just wander off; that's like going
squirrel
hunting, and I'm after BIG game!) 30.Bh2 Qxh4 31.Bg3 Qg4 32.Qd1
Rh7
33.Kf1 Bxf3 34.Qd3 Be4 35.Qd2 (Not the best square.) ...Qh3+
36.Ke1
(I was thinking about sac'ing my Queen here for a textbook back-rank
mate,
when it suddenly hit me that my Bishop needed to be on f3 for this to
actually
work!) ...Bf3 37.Rb1 (The escape square, d2, needed to be vacated
immediately.) ...Qg2 38.Rf1 Qxf1+ 39.Kxf1 (...Rh1++) 0-1

Note that on the GetClub Web site, the stronger the level, the lower
its rating!
The master level is around 500-600, though any rational assessment
would
allow that it is stronger than all the quicker-moving levels which
have higher
ratings. Since in this game (and many others) it fails to spot a
checkmate
coming two moves away, there is clearly a serious problem with
tactics. The
program also chops off the final move of a game by a pre-emptive
resignation
at any mate-on-the-move detection.

-- invincible bot

Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:41:30
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Sep 1, 12:54 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > One games listed the winner as "O-O", and I did not
> > check it; or maybe it was zero-zero.
>
> I did not say Beginner won, But It was a draw. O-O means game was
> drawn.
>
> The Beginner's King had no place to move. So it was a stalemate.

Ah -- I take it Black's final move was ...K-d6, a typical
beginner's mistake.

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 22:54:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> When I log on and try to replay the games where you
> say your computer beat Zebediah, they lock-up in mid
> game, and this suggests a malfunction, rather than
> impressive play. I will say that the small part of these
> games I was able to replay showed the computer
> playing competently, for a change.
>
> One games listed the winner as "O-O", and I did not
> check it; or maybe it was zero-zero.

I did not say Beginner won, But It was a draw. O-O means game was
drawn.

The Beginner's King had no place to move. So it was a stalemate.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 31 Aug 2007 22:45:55
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> Actually, I AM using a brand new laptop, an HP Compaq nc6400 running
> Windows XP Professional verson 5.1.2600. It has quite enough memory
> and power to run much more demanding software than Sanny's program.- Hide quoted text -
>

Since other players are not getting this problem.I would like to test
your username and see what is happening when you login. So please send
me your username. So that my programmers can see why you are unable to
login while others are. May be something wrong in your userdetails, Or
any other reasion.

There can be one of the below reasion for such program halt.

1.May be: Your system do not have Java Virtual Machine.
In such case download java JVM from
http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp

2.May be: Your username is having special characters.
In this case I will Change the username

3.May be: The Program could not be downloaded correctly.
In this case I suggest to reload the Program 2-3 times till it works.

4. May be: Your Quota for 30 Games is Over.
In this case you need to purchase more games.

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Incase you can not Login even after trying above tests, I would like
to know your username so that my programmers can see why you are
unable to Login While other 10 Players are not facing any problem.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 31 Aug 2007 22:24:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 10:28 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Actually, I AM using a brand new laptop, an HP Compaq nc6400
>
> giggle (have I ever told the story here about how I caused an Original
> Compaq computer to (literally) catch fire...twice? using *only*
> software.) HP Compaq's are no match for the sophisticated code produced
> by Sanny's team of programmers.

Sanny's legal defense team says this was caused
by your laptop's battery, which was most likely made
in China and contains lead; do not put this battery in
your mouth: it is poisonous in addition to catching on
fire!

> > running Windows XP Professional
>
> snort...what an oxymoron.
>
> > verson 5.1.2600.
>
> titter - that's *so* last century.

Checking at www.microsoft.com I found that this
means he need not update the OS until around
May 1, 2604.

> > It has quite enough memory
>
> not for Sanny
>
> > and power to run much more demanding software than Sanny's program.
>
> ROTFLMAO. There are NO programs "more demanding ... than Sanny's".

Today I was trying to play at GetClub against the
Beginner level, and my doggone anti-virus software
started cranking the hard drive non-stop. It is not
enough for it to check every file on my computer
for viruses, oh no! It had to also update itself via
the internet and somehow I lost connection over
and over, in spite of the program's lightning-fast
move times. Of all the programs I have run, the
GetClub chess program seems to crank the fan
more than any other, probably because it is just
"thinking" in circles... .

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 16:09:40
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 1:21 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Today Beginner Level was able to Draw game with Zebediah who used to
> beat even the Master Level.

When I log on and try to replay the games where you
say your computer beat Zebediah, they lock-up in mid
game, and this suggests a malfunction, rather than
impressive play. I will say that the small part of these
games I was able to replay showed the computer
playing competently, for a change.

One games listed the winner as "O-O", and I did not
check it; or maybe it was zero-zero.

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 14:41:28
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 12:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Clearly, this is a problem with your machine. Go out and purchase a
> > modern laptop with sufficient memory and processing power.
>
> Actually, I AM using a brand new laptop, an HP Compaq nc6400 running
> Windows XP Professional verson 5.1.2600. It has quite enough memory
> and power to run much more demanding software than Sanny's program.

Isn't that one of the very few OSs which can run multi-core
chess programs, like Deep Fritz? All the computers I have
ever owned, whether 64 bit or not, are unable to "go deep".

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 14:38:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 10:24 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Sanny, it's obvious that you don't understand plain English. I HAVE
> > been able to sign on. The site ACCEPTS my log-in. But when I do, there
> > is NO CHESSBOARD. Everything else appears, but no chessboard, so it's
> > impossible to play a game. Got it now?
>
> Clearly, this is a problem with your machine. Go out and purchase a
> modern laptop with sufficient memory and processing power.
>
> Sanny can't be expected to be responsible for every legacy machine out
> there on the web.
>
> It all works perfectly on *his* machine. And, it beats him every time.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

Someone advised Sanny of a free Web site which tested
HTML code for errors, saying his was extremely buggy.
Sanny rejected this free help, and ever since has been
trying to use a patchwork of band-aid fixes to solve each
new complaint, as it arises. He takes the same approach
to creating his chess program's opening book: if 1.e4, then
...e5; if 1.d4, then d5, etc.

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 14:31:24
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 7:04 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > after my bone-crusher, 1.d4 c6. It did find N-h4 after
> > my ...B-f5, which was impressive (for such a stupid
> > program). If you want to beat me, you are going to
> > have to buy more silicon chips or something.
>
> > -- invincible bot
>
> Just wait for a week and then the Program will play much stronger
> moves.

Should I start a game now, so that by that time we may
be up to move three or four?

> Could you do complete analysis of the game played between you and
> Master Level which you won.

Yes, I *could*. ; >D

> Here is recorded Gamehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8257&game=Chess
>
> Please let me know which were the wrong moves which it should not have
> played and what was the better move.

The computer first went wrong when it sat down to
play... .

Give me some time to run this through Fritz, so I can
determine which moves to gloss over and which ones
to focus on, where I got lucky.

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 14:24:39
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 5:06 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 5:48 pm, help bot <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The nearly-an-IM did this routinely, and thus we have a
> > whole slew of alter-egos which represent him;
>
> Was this before or after he downloaded the freeware chess engine?

Well, it happened before the program called Rybka became
the new standard for chess programs, or at least the latest
versions of Rybka. Now that IM Innes has Rybka, I don't
think even Bobby Fischer would want to risk playing him.

Of course, he probably had some other chess program, but
if you check the games you can easily tell. For instance, in
my games there are perhaps a thousand places where I
erred and even a mediocre computer would have found the
correct tactical shot. In reading CL magazine I am noticing
that nearly all the annotators are focusing on their programs'
thinking, asking question like "why not 1.N-e4?", to which
the (greatly annoyed) GMs reply with utter nonsense, since
they just overlooked some tactical finesse that Fritz saw
easily.

Generally speaking, IM Innes did not really compete at
GetClub; it is more like he just went there a few times to
see if the latest "improvements" made any difference. I
think it is possible that one-fifth of the listed "best"
players in the scrollbar represent his various identities.

-- help bot

Date: 31 Aug 2007 10:57:11
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 11:24 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
> >>> My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> >>> The program should work regardless of username.- Hide quoted text -
> >> I am asking for your username as I see 10 games played yesterday. by
> >> other players. The Program accepted them to play but you were unable
> >> to play.
>
> >> I find "Tayllor Kingston" username is not in use. So you need to
> >> signup again with username"Tayllor Kingston" again.
>
> >> You can take other username also.
>
> >> You may update your username and other Settings on this page.http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username
>
> >> And once your username is proper you can play without any problem. If
> >> you could give your username I could check and see why the program is
> >> not accepting your login while It allowed other 10 players.
>
> > Sanny, it's obvious that you don't understand plain English. I HAVE
> > been able to sign on. The site ACCEPTS my log-in. But when I do, there
> > is NO CHESSBOARD. Everything else appears, but no chessboard, so it's
> > impossible to play a game. Got it now?
>
> Clearly, this is a problem with your machine. Go out and purchase a
> modern laptop with sufficient memory and processing power.

Actually, I AM using a brand new laptop, an HP Compaq nc6400 running
Windows XP Professional verson 5.1.2600. It has quite enough memory
and power to run much more demanding software than Sanny's program.

Date: 31 Aug 2007 22:28:34
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:24 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Taylor Kingston wrote:
>>> On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
>>>>> The program should work regardless of username.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> I am asking for your username as I see 10 games played yesterday. by
>>>> other players. The Program accepted them to play but you were unable
>>>> to play.
>>>> I find "Tayllor Kingston" username is not in use. So you need to
>>>> signup again with username"Tayllor Kingston" again.
>>>> You can take other username also.
>>>> You may update your username and other Settings on this page.http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username
>>>> And once your username is proper you can play without any problem. If
>>>> you could give your username I could check and see why the program is
>>>> not accepting your login while It allowed other 10 players.
>>> Sanny, it's obvious that you don't understand plain English. I HAVE
>>> been able to sign on. The site ACCEPTS my log-in. But when I do, there
>>> is NO CHESSBOARD. Everything else appears, but no chessboard, so it's
>>> impossible to play a game. Got it now?
>> Clearly, this is a problem with your machine. Go out and purchase a
>> modern laptop with sufficient memory and processing power.
>
> Actually, I AM using a brand new laptop, an HP Compaq nc6400

giggle (have I ever told the story here about how I caused an Original
Compaq computer to (literally) catch fire...twice? using *only*
software.) HP Compaq's are no match for the sophisticated code produced
by Sanny's team of programmers.

> running
> Windows XP Professional

snort...what an oxymoron.

> verson 5.1.2600.

titter - that's *so* last century.

> It has quite enough memory

not for Sanny

> and power to run much more demanding software than Sanny's program.
>

ROTFLMAO. There are NO programs "more demanding ... than Sanny's".

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 31 Aug 2007 05:17:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> > The program should work regardless of username.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I am asking for your username as I see 10 games played yesterday. by
> other players. The Program accepted them to play but you were unable
> to play.
>
> I find "Tayllor Kingston" username is not in use. So you need to
> signup again with username"Tayllor Kingston" again.
>
> You can take other username also.
>
> You may update your username and other Settings on this page.http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username
>
> And once your username is proper you can play without any problem. If
> you could give your username I could check and see why the program is
> not accepting your login while It allowed other 10 players.

Sanny, it's obvious that you don't understand plain English. I HAVE
been able to sign on. The site ACCEPTS my log-in. But when I do, there
is NO CHESSBOARD. Everything else appears, but no chessboard, so it's
impossible to play a game. Got it now?

Date: 31 Aug 2007 10:24:10
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
>>> My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
>>> The program should work regardless of username.- Hide quoted text -
>> I am asking for your username as I see 10 games played yesterday. by
>> other players. The Program accepted them to play but you were unable
>> to play.
>>
>> I find "Tayllor Kingston" username is not in use. So you need to
>> signup again with username"Tayllor Kingston" again.
>>
>> You can take other username also.
>>
>> You may update your username and other Settings on this page.http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username
>>
>> And once your username is proper you can play without any problem. If
>> you could give your username I could check and see why the program is
>> not accepting your login while It allowed other 10 players.
>
> Sanny, it's obvious that you don't understand plain English. I HAVE
> been able to sign on. The site ACCEPTS my log-in. But when I do, there
> is NO CHESSBOARD. Everything else appears, but no chessboard, so it's
> impossible to play a game. Got it now?
>

Clearly, this is a problem with your machine. Go out and purchase a
modern laptop with sufficient memory and processing power.

Sanny can't be expected to be responsible for every legacy machine out
there on the web.

It all works perfectly on *his* machine. And, it beats him every time.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 31 Aug 2007 05:04:44
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> after my bone-crusher, 1.d4 c6. It did find N-h4 after
> my ...B-f5, which was impressive (for such a stupid
> program). If you want to beat me, you are going to
> have to buy more silicon chips or something.
>
> -- invincible bot

Just wait for a week and then the Program will play much stronger
moves.

Could you do complete analysis of the game played between you and
Master Level which you won.

Here is recorded Game
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8257&game=Chess

Please let me know which were the wrong moves which it should not have
played and what was the better move.

I will tell to remove the wrong moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 31 Aug 2007 10:26:14
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

Sanny wrote:
>> after my bone-crusher, 1.d4 c6. It did find N-h4 after
>> my ...B-f5, which was impressive (for such a stupid
>> program). If you want to beat me, you are going to
>> have to buy more silicon chips or something.
>>
>> -- invincible bot
>
> Just wait for a week and then the Program will play much stronger
> moves.

Just wait for a week and then the Program will play its next move.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:03:06
From: Patrick Volk
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:26:14 -0500, Kenneth Sloan
<[email protected] > wrote:

>Sanny wrote:
>>> after my bone-crusher, 1.d4 c6. It did find N-h4 after
>>> my ...B-f5, which was impressive (for such a stupid
>>> program). If you want to beat me, you are going to
>>> have to buy more silicon chips or something.
>>>
>>> -- invincible bot
>>
>> Just wait for a week and then the Program will play much stronger
>> moves.
>
>Just wait for a week and then the Program will play its next move.

I'm beginning to appreciate that Sanny is working on his chess
program, and not near the professional domains.

Date: 31 Aug 2007 04:29:49
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

Date: 31 Aug 2007 03:09:13
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 11:41 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 9:26 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 11:13 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 7:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > > > > > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> > > > > What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> > > > > Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> > > > > with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> > > > > would be solved.
>
> > > > > Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> > > > > your Email & Password.
>
> > > > > Bye
> > > > > Sanny
>
> > > > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> > > > I can sign in just fine. But after I do, nochessboard appears. I
> > > > have already explained this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > What is your username?
>
> > > Have you tried again. There was one problem earlier that have been
> > > removed. I think now you can login and play without problem.
>
> > > Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.
>
> > Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What is your username?

Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask him what browser he was using?

Date: 31 Aug 2007 03:06:47
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 5:48 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:

> The nearly-an-IM did this routinely, and thus we have a
> whole slew of alter-egos which represent him;

Was this before or after he downloaded the freeware chess engine?

Date: 31 Aug 2007 02:05:07
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 31, 1:21 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > area from that page. Now I come here, to one of these
> > threads, and click on the ...chess.html link. When
> > Deathly Slowness is not the problem, Disconnects fill in
> > for it.
>
> So now you are satisfied with the speed of the Game!!!

Today (and tonight, and half the following morning...) I played
a game against one of the higher levels, and got disconnected
more times than I can count. We finally finished a game, after
I restarted a dozen or so times. The program played okay, but
at the end it allowed a simple mate when it could have survived
a bit longer (weeks, perhaps).

> > be an end to our complaints about the program's strength
> > of play.
>
> Not for long, Try playing with higher levels. Easy & Normal may beat
> you.

True; it is very distracting to have to restart so many times,
and I could lose the thread (or just fall asleep).

> Today Beginner Level was able to Draw game with Zebediah who used to
> beat even the Master Level.

Zebediah is probably a fish. If beginner level beat him,
he might be Rob Mitchell or IM Innes. Okay, maybe
computers can be dangerous at times, but they can
also be amazingly stupid, most of the time. Your
program took half an hour, it seemed, on move two,
after my bone-crusher, 1.d4 c6. It did find N-h4 after
my ...B-f5, which was impressive (for such a stupid
program). If you want to beat me, you are going to
have to buy more silicon chips or something.

-- invincible bot

Date: 30 Aug 2007 23:21:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> area from that page. Now I come here, to one of these
> threads, and click on the ...chess.html link. When
> Deathly Slowness is not the problem, Disconnects fill in
> for it.

So now you are satisfied with the speed of the Game!!!

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

>
> Hey, we are all so darned good here that there may never
> be an end to our complaints about the program's strength
> of play.

Not for long, Try playing with higher levels. Easy & Normal may beat
you.

Today Beginner Level was able to Draw game with Zebediah who used to
beat even the Master Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 30 Aug 2007 23:14:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> > What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
>
> My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> The program should work regardless of username.- Hide quoted text -
>

I am asking for your username as I see 10 games played yesterday. by
other players. The Program accepted them to play but you were unable
to play.

I find "Tayllor Kingston" username is not in use. So you need to
signup again with username"Tayllor Kingston" again.

You can take other username also.

You may update your username and other Settings on this page.
http://www.getclub.com/Update/Updateit.php?lang=en&upd=username

And once your username is proper you can play without any problem. If
you could give your username I could check and see why the program is
not accepting your login while It allowed other 10 players.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 30 Aug 2007 16:46:38
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 6:48 pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 5:07 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > What is your username?
>
> > My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> > The program should work regardless of username.
>
> Translation: TK is afraid Sanny's boasts of "improvement"
> might this time be for real, so he has signed up to play
> under a pseudonym, in case he has trouble winning. ;>D

Translation: Helpbot just enjoys trying to annoy everyone, and makes
no effort to ensure the accuracy of his statements. My point about
Sanny's silly question still stands.

Date: 30 Aug 2007 17:30:16
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 6:46 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:

> > > My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> > > The program should work regardless of username.
>
> > Translation: TK is afraid Sanny's boasts of "improvement"
> > might this time be for real, so he has signed up to play
> > under a pseudonym, in case he has trouble winning. ;>D
>
> Translation: Helpbot just enjoys trying to annoy everyone, and makes
> no effort to ensure the accuracy of his statements. My point about
> Sanny's silly question still stands.

Conclusion: TK is one of those ignorant newbies,
who have no clue what the symbol ; >D means. (It's
hard to imagine someone rated 2300+ who is so
utterly clueless, but there are the facts, and what
else can be made of them?)

For the record, it is called a "smiley", and the use
of a semicolon instead of the standard colon for the
eyes, indicates a wink.

------

IMO, it is quite likely that the real reason TK has
gotten a bit hot under the collar here is that he did
in fact place a protective put on his 50 - 0 record
by switching identities on GetClub. The joke is
we all know that, just like others (including me), he
did not earn this perfect record without a bit of
"negotiation skill". The archives tell the tale better
than I can after so much time has elapsed, but in
essence, Sanny's Web site is so buggy that even
a Bobby Fischer would have great difficulty in
earning a perfect-looking record there without some
off the board skills in persuasion and persistence.

-- help bot

Date: 30 Aug 2007 15:48:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 5:07 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:

> > What is your username?- Hide quoted text -
>
> My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
> The program should work regardless of username.

Translation: TK is afraid Sanny's boasts of "improvement"
might this time be for real, so he has signed up to play
under a pseudonym, in case he has trouble winning. ; >D

The nearly-an-IM did this routinely, and thus we have a
whole slew of alter-egos which represent him; the funny
thing to me was his results were actually very good, but
then, he didn't play consistently throughout the period
where "improvements" were being made. At one point
Sanny's program actually was quite dangerous, IMO;
then it reverted back to its former, awful self.

-- help bot

Date: 30 Aug 2007 15:07:02
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 12:41 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 9:26 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 11:13 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 7:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > > > > > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> > > > > What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> > > > > Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> > > > > with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> > > > > would be solved.
>
> > > > > Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> > > > > your Email & Password.
>
> > > > > Bye
> > > > > Sanny
>
> > > > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> > > > I can sign in just fine. But after I do, nochessboard appears. I
> > > > have already explained this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > What is your username?
>
> > > Have you tried again. There was one problem earlier that have been
> > > removed. I think now you can login and play without problem.
>
> > > Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.
>
> > Nope.
>
>
> What is your username?- Hide quoted text -

My username is quite immaterial. Usernames can be chosen at random.
The program should work regardless of username.

Date: 30 Aug 2007 13:59:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 10:13 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.

Help bot has been trying to complete a single game
for days, to no avail. But I finally figured out that there
is no use in typing "GetClub.com" into a browser box,
since it is next to impossible to find the chess playing
area from that page. Now I come here, to one of these
threads, and click on the ...chess.html link. When
Deathly Slowness is not the problem, Disconnects fill in
for it.

Hey, we are all so darned good here that there may never
be an end to our complaints about the program's strength
of play. Better to focus on getting the clock issue
solved -- that's something that affects everybody equally.

-- help bot

Date: 30 Aug 2007 13:52:44
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 1:37 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > How many months did it take to complete this game?
>
> Just one hour. You can finish a game with easy level in just 1-2
> hours.
>
> I remember there was a problem 2 days back which make it loop for
> hours on single move.

Looping for hours on a single move? I sometimes have
this same problem when I'm trying to sleep. The worst is
when I am somehow tricked into a French Defense when
of course I was trying to play something sound, like a
Caro-Kann.

-- help bot

Date: 30 Aug 2007 09:41:15
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 9:26 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:13 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 7:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > > > > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> > > > What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> > > > Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> > > > with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> > > > would be solved.
>
> > > > Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> > > > your Email & Password.
>
> > > > Bye
> > > > Sanny
>
> > > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> > > I can sign in just fine. But after I do, nochessboard appears. I
> > > have already explained this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > What is your username?
>
> > Have you tried again. There was one problem earlier that have been
> > removed. I think now you can login and play without problem.
>
> > Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.
>
> Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What is your username?

Date: 30 Aug 2007 09:26:18
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 11:13 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 7:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > > > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> > > What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> > > Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> > > with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> > > would be solved.
>
> > > Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> > > your Email & Password.
>
> > > Bye
> > > Sanny
>
> > > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> > I can sign in just fine. But after I do, nochessboard appears. I
> > have already explained this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> What is your username?
>
> Have you tried again. There was one problem earlier that have been
> removed. I think now you can login and play without problem.
>
> Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.

Nope.

Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:13:26
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 7:57 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> > What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> > Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> > with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> > would be solved.
>
> > Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> > your Email & Password.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html
>
> I can sign in just fine. But after I do, nochessboard appears. I
> have already explained this.- Hide quoted text -
>
What is your username?

Have you tried again. There was one problem earlier that have been
removed. I think now you can login and play without problem.

Help Bot has played a game today So I think you too can.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 30 Aug 2007 07:57:06
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 2:48 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> > I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.
>
> What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"
>
> Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
> with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
> would be solved.
>
> Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
> your Email & Password.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

I can sign in just fine. But after I do, no chess board appears. I
have already explained this.

Date: 29 Aug 2007 23:48:52
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 30, 12:21 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I find it difficult to complete games in time.
>
> I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where thechessboard should appear continues to remain blank.

What is your new Username? Is it same "Taylor Kingston"

Have you Signup again and Verified your Email? If not first Signup
with your username & Email and Verify your Email. I hope the Problem
would be solved.

Incase you have trouble login using your username. Try login using
your Email & Password.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 29 Aug 2007 23:44:48
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> It would be easier to annotate if one could actually log
> on and get achessboard to come up atGetClub.
>

Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?
id=DM8131&game=Chess

Here you can see the Animation of the Game Played.

Now all problems has been sorted out you can finish your game quickly.

This Months Toppers are

zebediah : Points Awarded 28.1 points (WIN: $5.00)
sanjay11 : Points Awarded 4.1 (I used computer to win Games) (WIN:
$2.00)
bonsai : Points Awarded 2.5 points (WIN: $1.00)
apple3feet : Points Awarded 2 (WIN: $1.00)
softtanks : Points Awarded 1.6 points (WIN: $1.00)
wtfai : Points Awarded 1.0 points. (WIN: $1.00)
macchess : Points Awarded 0.6 points

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 29 Aug 2007 23:37:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> How many months did it take to complete this game?
>

Just one hour. You can finish a game with easy level in just 1-2
hours.

I remember there was a problem 2 days back which make it loop for
hours on single move. Now everything is corrected. Now even Master
level plays quite fast.

Yesterday Zebediah Ranked Third at GetClub Chess was able to finish a
game with Master Level.

You can see his very tough game
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8140&game=Chess

There was a strong fight after which Zebediah was able to win.

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Here is rough time to finish games.

Beginner Level: 15 min
Easy: 1-2 hour
Normal: 4 hours
Master: 8 hours.

It assumes a game with 40-50 moves including both your and computers
moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 29 Aug 2007 21:35:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 29, 1:00 pm, Sanny wrote:

> A Tough Game between easy and another Computer Game. GetClub Chess
> lost the Match.
>
> White: Other Computer
> Black: Easy Level
> Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8131&game=Chess
>
> Easy Level Other Computer (blindfold) help bot says:
>
> 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
> 2.Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6 Van Geet like-y! (But why wait 'till move 2?)
> 3.Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6
> 4.d2-d3 Bf8-b4
> 5.Bc1-g5 Bb4xc3+
> 6.b2xc3 h7-h6
> 7.Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6 Weak players prefer Bishops to Knights.
> 8.Qd1-f3 d7-d6
> 9.Qf3xf6 g7xf6
> 10.Ra1-b1 Rh8-g8 "Open files for winners!" -- F. Reinfeld
> 11.g2-g3 a7-a5
> 12.h2-h3 Nc6-e7
> 13.g3-g4 c7-c6
> 14.a2-a4 d6-d5 Anybody else notice there are too many pawn moves?
> 15.e4xd5 c6xd5

> The moves were so complex for me to understand Why GetClub Lost the
> Game.
>
> Can anyone tell What wrong move GetClub made which made it loose the
> Game. And what GetClub Easy Level Should have moved to win.

It would be easier to annotate if one could actually log
on and get a chess board to come up at GetClub.

-- help bot

Date: 29 Aug 2007 15:04:59
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 29, 1:00 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> A Tough Game between easy and another Computer Game. GetClub Chess
> lost the Match.
>
> White: Other Computer
> Black: Easy Level
> Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8131&game=Chess
>
> Easy Level Other Computer
>
> 1.e2-e4 e7-e5
> 2.Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6
> 3.Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6
> 4.d2-d3 Bf8-b4
> 5.Bc1-g5 Bb4xc3+
> 6.b2xc3 h7-h6
> 7.Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6
> 8.Qd1-f3 d7-d6
> 9.Qf3xf6 g7xf6
> 10.Ra1-b1 Rh8-g8
> 11.g2-g3 a7-a5
> 12.h2-h3 Nc6-e7
> 13.g3-g4 c7-c6
> 14.a2-a4 d6-d5
> 15.e4xd5 c6xd5
> 16.Bc4-b5+ Ne7-c6
> 17.Ng1-f3 Bc8-d7
> 18.Ke1-d2 Ra8-c8
> 19.c3-c4 d5xc4
> 20.Bb5xc4 Nc6-b4
> 21.c2-c3 Bd7-c6
> 22.c3xb4 Bc6xf3
> 23.Rh1-c1 b7-b6
> 24.Bc4-d5 Rc8xc1
> 25.Rb1xc1 Bf3xd5
> 26.Rc1-c8+ Ke8-d7
> 27.Rc8xg8 a5xb4
> 28.Rg8-h8 Kd7-e6
> 29.Rh8-b8 b6-b5
> 30.Rb8-b6+ Ke6-e7
> 31.Rb6xb5 Bd5-g2
> 32.h3-h4 b4-b3
> 33.a4-a5 Bg2-h3
> 34.a5-a6 Bh3xg4
> 35.Rb5-b7+ Ke7-d6
> 36.a6-a7 Bg4-c8
> 37.Rb7-b4 Kd6-c5
> 38.Rb4-b8 Bc8-e6
> 39.a7-a8 Kc5-d6
> 40.Qa8-a5 Kd6-c6
> 41.Qa5-b6+ Kc6-d7
> 42.Rb8-d8+ Kd7-e7
> 43.Qb6-d6#
>
> The moves were so complex for me to understand Why GetClub Lost the
> Game.
>
> Can anyone tell What wrong move GetClub made which made it loose the
> Game. And what GetClub Easy Level Should have moved to win.

How many months did it take to complete this game?

-- help bot

Date: 29 Aug 2007 15:00:40
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 29, 10:36 am, "Ruud" <[email protected] > wrote:

> >> Insanity: repeating the same action, expecting a different result.
>
> > Not true at all; I could not hope to detail all the times
> > that I have performed the same action on my computer,
> > only to get very different results.
>
> But did you expect it?

I knew that in the past, there were many times when
the same action would render identical problems, and
that on occasion the problem would go away for
reasons I could not explain. This applies especially
if you do a re-boot or something like that in between.

> Playing chess against a GM for instance could make you a winner, if you
> choose the best answer against him all the time, even if it's by sheer luck.

Excuse me, but it was definitely not luck! Luck tends
to run out just when you need it most. And what is more,
there is no need to always find the best move in order to
beat a GM -- they're nowhere near THAT good.

> This probably makes you, if not a GM, a very lucky choice-maker.
> The point is obvious: if Sanny's program makes 'good moves', as Sanny
> himself often told us,,, GM's moves even, that doesn't make it a GM-level
> program. 1 stupid move making it lose to a human with level 1200 makes it a
> level <1200 engine (even if it makes 95% Rybka moves)

Now you are confusing Sanny's program with IM Innes.

Sanny's program, as far as I can see, is now making
inferior moves which do not instantly hang material, and
this is miles away from what Rybka does. In fact, the
Rybka program often will like a move which other, more
materialistic programs reject, and Rybka will even dismiss
an extra pawn as almost irrelevant when there is decent
compensation by human terms.

I can't seem to finish even one game anymore, so I
can't give a decent estimate of the program's strength,
except in the early opening phase. For that, the ability
to not hang anything outright surely places the rating
above 1500 or so.

-- help bot

Date: 29 Aug 2007 12:21:32
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 28, 12:31 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I find it difficult to complete games in time.

I find it impossible to start a game at all. The area where the
chess board should appear continues to remain blank.

Date: 29 Aug 2007 11:00:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

A Tough Game between easy and another Computer Game. GetClub Chess
lost the Match.

White: Other Computer
Black: Easy Level
Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM8131&game=Chess

Easy Level Other Computer

1.e2-e4 e7-e5
2.Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6
3.Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6
4.d2-d3 Bf8-b4
5.Bc1-g5 Bb4xc3+
6.b2xc3 h7-h6
7.Bg5xf6 Qd8xf6
8.Qd1-f3 d7-d6
9.Qf3xf6 g7xf6
10.Ra1-b1 Rh8-g8
11.g2-g3 a7-a5
12.h2-h3 Nc6-e7
13.g3-g4 c7-c6
14.a2-a4 d6-d5
15.e4xd5 c6xd5
16.Bc4-b5+ Ne7-c6
17.Ng1-f3 Bc8-d7
18.Ke1-d2 Ra8-c8
19.c3-c4 d5xc4
20.Bb5xc4 Nc6-b4
21.c2-c3 Bd7-c6
22.c3xb4 Bc6xf3
23.Rh1-c1 b7-b6
24.Bc4-d5 Rc8xc1
25.Rb1xc1 Bf3xd5
26.Rc1-c8+ Ke8-d7
27.Rc8xg8 a5xb4
28.Rg8-h8 Kd7-e6
29.Rh8-b8 b6-b5
30.Rb8-b6+ Ke6-e7
31.Rb6xb5 Bd5-g2
32.h3-h4 b4-b3
33.a4-a5 Bg2-h3
34.a5-a6 Bh3xg4
35.Rb5-b7+ Ke7-d6
36.a6-a7 Bg4-c8
37.Rb7-b4 Kd6-c5
38.Rb4-b8 Bc8-e6
39.a7-a8 Kc5-d6
40.Qa8-a5 Kd6-c6
41.Qa5-b6+ Kc6-d7
42.Rb8-d8+ Kd7-e7
43.Qb6-d6#

The moves were so complex for me to understand Why GetClub Lost the
Game.

Can anyone tell What wrong move GetClub made which made it loose the
Game. And what GetClub Easy Level Should have moved to win.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 28 Aug 2007 22:27:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

> > Play a game and tell me http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > If I increase its stregth then it will think longer. Please let me
> > know your opinion. What should be improved further.

Yesterday 3 games were played and completed in just 20 minutes

> Well, since these program problems seem to never be
> solved, I would suggest you allow the user to select the
> ACTUAL time (not claimed), as determined by polling the
> user's computer's built-in clock and not some distant
> galaxy time continuum, and let the strength fall where it
> may.
>

The Time issue is solved. Now the only thing is whether you need more
strength or the strength at which the game is playing is OK.

Play a few games and let me know how it is playing.
http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Yesterdays 3 Games I saw the Beginner Level making moves in 10-20
seconds. and Easy Level in 20-30 sec / move.

The game has become too good to be told, Just Play and you will find
what I am saying.

You can finish a game with Beginner Level in 25 min
Beginner: 1600

You can finish a game with Easy Level in 1.5 hour
Easy: 1700

You can finish a game with Normal Level in 4 hours
Normal: 1800

You can finish a game with Master Level in 8 hours
Master: 1900

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Date: 28 Aug 2007 21:08:04
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 28, 8:35 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> Insanity: repeating the same action, expecting a different result.

Not true at all; I could not hope to detail all the times
that I have performed the same action on my computer,
only to get very different results.

For instance, starting my internet program may well
lead to an error identical to what happens when they
claim I have not paid my bill on time, but wait ten
minutes and try again and presto, no error and I am
on! With regard to Sanny's Web site, there are a
multitude of things one can try without success, but
on occasion finally get through somehow (I can't even
begin to explain it) to play a game of chess.

The same thing applies elsewhere; I tried to inflate
the tires on my botcycle with a gadget that plugs into
the cigarette lighter on my car, and though it made
noise it pumped no air. Later, I tried again and this
time it started working; I cannot explain how it could
make such noise and yet pump no air, but that is
quite beside the point.

> Sanny's program cheats. Sanny's program always cheats.

Baloney. A computer cannot "cheat"; it only does
what its programmer tells it to do. In this case, the
programmers are incompetent and cannot seem to
even get it to play random moves on cue. You have
just confused cheating, which is a type of deception
really, with utter incompetence.

> The only effective punishment for cheating is "shunning".

Shunning is not severe enough to get real results;
this is why burning at the stake was invented, my
brother. Another great invention of us religious folk
is drowning in the river, to see if a person floats or
not; witches, you see, float, because they are made
of wood. If the test fails, you have an innocent corpse
to bury but this is a very small price to pay for
identifying the witches among us.

No, I think although it is true that Sanny is quite
incapable of learning, this is no reason to give up
all hope; for instance, an earthquake could destroy
his servers, or a virus erase his hard drives; His
mother could come along at any time and take
away his surfing privileges; or his dad could show
up and make him apologize for all the lying he's
been doing here. They might even put him in
"time out" or make him do homework. Life is
rough.

-- help bot

Date: 29 Aug 2007 17:36:04
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

"help bot" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 28, 8:35 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Insanity: repeating the same action, expecting a different result.
>
> Not true at all; I could not hope to detail all the times
> that I have performed the same action on my computer,
> only to get very different results.

But did you expect it?
Playing chess against a GM for instance could make you a winner, if you
choose the best answer against him all the time, even if it's by sheer luck.
This probably makes you, if not a GM, a very lucky choice-maker.
The point is obvious: if Sanny's program makes 'good moves', as Sanny
himself often told us,,, GM's moves even, that doesn't make it a GM-level
program. 1 stupid move making it lose to a human with level 1200 makes it a
level <1200 engine (even if it makes 95% Rybka moves)

Date: 28 Aug 2007 13:01:52
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

On Aug 28, 11:31 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I find it difficult to complete games in time. So a bit of strength
> was decreased to improve game speed.
>
> I would like to know is the playing strength ok or you want a much
> stronger opponent?
>
> Play a game and tell mehttp://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> If I increase its stregth then it will think longer. Please let me
> know your opinion. What should be improved further.

Well, since these program problems seem to never be
solved, I would suggest you allow the user to select the
ACTUAL time (not claimed), as determined by polling the
user's computer's built-in clock and not some distant
galaxy time continuum, and let the strength fall where it
may.

For instance, if the user selects ten seconds per move
and then complains that the program hangs pieces left
and right, shift the blame and tell him that the weakness
was caused by him not giving the program enough (i.e.
infinite) time to find better moves.

If the user selects an hour per move, have the program
move in an hour -- not ten hours -- per move, and if there
are still complaints about poor moves, so be it. At least
this way, the never-ending complaints about "cheating"
or over-stepping the stated time per move will have been
resolved, once and for all.

When I say "polling" the user's computer's own clock,
I mean simply having your Java applet check the user's
machine to see what it (or his Windows OS, perhaps)
says is the local time. Certainly, if someone wanted to
cheat he could perhaps alter the clock during play, but
right now I don't think anybody *needs* to cheat in order
to win, so this should not really be an issue.

-- help bot

Date: 28 Aug 2007 20:35:23
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Are you unable to complete games at GetClub.

help bot wrote:
> On Aug 28, 11:31 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I find it difficult to complete games in time. So a bit of strength
>> was decreased to improve game speed.
>>
>> I would like to know is the playing strength ok or you want a much
>> stronger opponent?
>>
>> Play a game and tell mehttp://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> If I increase its stregth then it will think longer. Please let me
>> know your opinion. What should be improved further.
>
>
> Well, since these program problems seem to never be
> solved, ...

Insanity: repeating the same action, expecting a different result.

Sanny's program cheats. Sanny's program always cheats.

The only effective punishment for cheating is "shunning".

Starting.....now

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/