An interesting rook ending

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Date: 20 Feb 2005 22:26:21
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: An interesting rook ending

Anyone interested in commenting that interesting ending?
It was played at FIDE time control (90 minutes + 30sec/move)

[Event "Catalunya Equips"]
[Site "Terrassa"]
[Date "2005.02.20"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Torrecillas, A."]
[Black "Ubach Miralda, celo"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B13"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5
Nxd5 8.Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 e6 10. Qxb7 Nxd4 11. Bb5+ Nxb5 12. Qc6+ Ke7 13.
Qxb5 Nxc3 14.bxc3 f6 15. Ba3+ Kf7 16. Qb7+ Kg8 17. Bxf8 Qxf8 18. Rg1 Re8
19. Rd1 Re7 20. Rd7 Rxd7 21. Qxd7 g6 22. Qxa7 Qf7 23. Qxf7+ Kxf7 24. Kd2
Ra8 25. Ra1 Ra3 26. Kc2 Ke7 27. Kb2 Ra5 28. Rd1 Rh5 29. a4 Rxh2 30. Kb3
Rh5 31. c4 Ra5 32. Kb4 Ra8 33.c5 Rb8+ 34. Kc4 Ra8 35. Kb5 Rb8+ 36. Kc6
Rc8+ 37. Kb6 Rb8+ 38. Kc7 Ra8 39. Rd4 e5 40. Rh4 g5 41. Rc4 Ke6 42. Kb7
Rg8 43. c6 1-0

Date: 21 Feb 2005 05:07:09
From: Douglas L Stewart
Subject: Re: An interesting rook ending

28 Rd1 was good to keep the Black king away, and you correctly judged
that Black didn't have time to gobble your kingside pawns.

I tried a few sidelines and while some of them were okay in general it
came back to the moves you played were probably best.

Basically with passed a and c pawns going into that rook endgame there
wasn't much Black could do.

-Douglas

Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
> Anyone interested in commenting that interesting ending?
> It was played at FIDE time control (90 minutes + 30sec/move)
>
> [Event "Catalunya Equips"]
> [Site "Terrassa"]
> [Date "2005.02.20"]
> [Round "4"]
> [White "Torrecillas, A."]
> [Black "Ubach Miralda, celo"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "B13"]
>
> 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5
> Nxd5 8.Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 e6 10. Qxb7 Nxd4 11. Bb5+ Nxb5 12. Qc6+ Ke7 13.
> Qxb5 Nxc3 14.bxc3 f6 15. Ba3+ Kf7 16. Qb7+ Kg8 17. Bxf8 Qxf8 18. Rg1 Re8
> 19. Rd1 Re7 20. Rd7 Rxd7 21. Qxd7 g6 22. Qxa7 Qf7 23. Qxf7+ Kxf7 24. Kd2
> Ra8 25. Ra1 Ra3 26. Kc2 Ke7 27. Kb2 Ra5 28. Rd1 Rh5 29. a4 Rxh2 30. Kb3
> Rh5 31. c4 Ra5 32. Kb4 Ra8 33.c5 Rb8+ 34. Kc4 Ra8 35. Kb5 Rb8+ 36. Kc6
> Rc8+ 37. Kb6 Rb8+ 38. Kc7 Ra8 39. Rd4 e5 40. Rh4 g5 41. Rc4 Ke6 42. Kb7
> Rg8 43. c6 1-0
>

Date: 21 Feb 2005 12:11:45
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: An interesting rook ending

Thanks Douglas,

During the game I agreed all you wrote here.

Once the game was finished both players analized the game in the post-mortem

- We concluded that ending after 24.Kd2 seems very good for white. We
thought that maybe 25...Ke7 was an improvement (as you seems to agree
pointing that 28.Rd1 was god). But we found black had a poor ending here
too (with 25...Ke7) advancing the "a" pawn (no mater it can be lost)
and reaching a pawn ending with the king more active.

The curious fact is that Fritz after many time think 25...Ra3 to be the
best move and evaluates the ending after 24.Kd2 as equal.

- We concluded too that it seems that advancing "a" and "c" pawns seemed
the only way to put problems to black.

Curiously Fritz prefer black to eat all the possible white pawns and
white to defend them in many moments.

- We looked during tha game and in the post mortem in some moments black
can propose some pawn ending (or white needed to avoid).

Fritz seemed not worried about some of those pawn endings.

---

In conclusion Fritz evaluated some moves as "??" or "?" and I was
interested in reading here some suggestions/improvements to check if it
was correct in some of them.

thanks again,
Antonio T.

En/na Douglas L Stewart ha escrit:
> 28 Rd1 was good to keep the Black king away, and you correctly judged
> that Black didn't have time to gobble your kingside pawns.
>
> I tried a few sidelines and while some of them were okay in general it
> came back to the moves you played were probably best.
>
> Basically with passed a and c pawns going into that rook endgame there
> wasn't much Black could do.
>
> -Douglas
>
> Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
>>
>> [Event "Catalunya Equips"]
>> [Site "Terrassa"]
>> [Date "2005.02.20"]
>> [Round "4"]
>> [White "Torrecillas, A."]
>> [Black "Ubach Miralda, celo"]
>> [Result "1-0"]
>> [ECO "B13"]
>>
>> 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5
>> Nxd5 8.Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 e6 10. Qxb7 Nxd4 11. Bb5+ Nxb5 12. Qc6+ Ke7 13.
>> Qxb5 Nxc3 14.bxc3 f6 15. Ba3+ Kf7 16. Qb7+ Kg8 17. Bxf8 Qxf8 18. Rg1 Re8
>> 19. Rd1 Re7 20. Rd7 Rxd7 21. Qxd7 g6 22. Qxa7 Qf7 23. Qxf7+ Kxf7 24. Kd2
>> Ra8 25. Ra1 Ra3 26. Kc2 Ke7 27. Kb2 Ra5 28. Rd1 Rh5 29. a4 Rxh2 30. Kb3
>> Rh5 31. c4 Ra5 32. Kb4 Ra8 33.c5 Rb8+ 34. Kc4 Ra8 35. Kb5 Rb8+ 36. Kc6
>> Rc8+ 37. Kb6 Rb8+ 38. Kc7 Ra8 39. Rd4 e5 40. Rh4 g5 41. Rc4 Ke6 42. Kb7
>> Rg8 43. c6 1-0

Date: 22 Feb 2005 10:47:22
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: An interesting rook ending

Some questions to help the analysis

- In the opening, ... what move is better 17.Rd1 or 17.Bxf8? ... ok, a
question maybe impossible to answer.

- What happens after 18...h6? (some tactics here)

- It's better Fritz suggestion 22.Ke2?

- How do you evaluate the ending after 24.Kd2? (Fritz evaluates as equal)

- It's better 25....Ke7?

- It's better Fritz suggestion 28.Kb3?

- It's better 30.a5 or 30.Re2?

- It's better Fritz suggestion 30....Rxf2?

- It's better Fritz suggestion 31.Kb4?

- It's better Fritz suggestion 31....Rh2?

- It's better 33....Rd8?

- It's better Fritz suggestion 34.Ka5?

- It's better 34....Rb2?

- It's better 41....Rd8?

Antonio T.

En/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:
> Thanks Douglas,
> (...)
>
> In conclusion Fritz evaluated some moves as "??" or "?" and I was
> interested in reading here some suggestions/improvements to check if it
> was correct in some of them.
>
> thanks again,
> Antonio T.
>
> En/na Douglas L Stewart ha escrit:
>
>> 28 Rd1 was good to keep the Black king away, and you correctly judged
>> that Black didn't have time to gobble your kingside pawns.
>>
>> I tried a few sidelines and while some of them were okay in general it
>> came back to the moves you played were probably best.
>>
>> Basically with passed a and c pawns going into that rook endgame there
>> wasn't much Black could do.
>>
>> -Douglas
>>
>> Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
>>>
>>> [Event "Catalunya Equips"]
>>> [Site "Terrassa"]
>>> [Date "2005.02.20"]
>>> [Round "4"]
>>> [White "Torrecillas, A."]
>>> [Black "Ubach Miralda, celo"]
>>> [Result "1-0"]
>>> [ECO "B13"]
>>>
>>> 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5
>>> Nxd5 8.Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 e6 10. Qxb7 Nxd4 11. Bb5+ Nxb5 12. Qc6+ Ke7 13.
>>> Qxb5 Nxc3 14.bxc3 f6 15. Ba3+ Kf7 16. Qb7+ Kg8 17. Bxf8 Qxf8 18. Rg1 Re8
>>> 19. Rd1 Re7 20. Rd7 Rxd7 21. Qxd7 g6 22. Qxa7 Qf7 23. Qxf7+ Kxf7 24. Kd2
>>> Ra8 25. Ra1 Ra3 26. Kc2 Ke7 27. Kb2 Ra5 28. Rd1 Rh5 29. a4 Rxh2 30. Kb3
>>> Rh5 31. c4 Ra5 32. Kb4 Ra8 33.c5 Rb8+ 34. Kc4 Ra8 35. Kb5 Rb8+ 36. Kc6
>>> Rc8+ 37. Kb6 Rb8+ 38. Kc7 Ra8 39. Rd4 e5 40. Rh4 g5 41. Rc4 Ke6 42. Kb7
>>> Rg8 43. c6 1-0