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Date: 04 Apr 2006 05:22:34
From: Ron
Subject: A Two Knights Defense game
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[Event "FICS rated standard game"]
[Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
[Date "2006.04.03"]
[Round "-"]
[White "White"]
[Black "Me"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "1800+30"]
[Time "14:32:19"]
[WhiteElo "1960"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[BlackElo "2041"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5
Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qh5 9. Nxe4 Be6 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bf6 Qg6 12. Nh4 Qg4 13. Qd3
Qh5 14. Qg3 Qa5 15. Ng6! Rg8! 16. c3? fxg6 17. Qxg6+ Kd7 18. Rad1? Qf5!
19. Qxf5 Bxf5 20. Bxd4 Nxd4 21. Rxd4+ Kc6 22. Ng3 Bh7 23. b4 Bd6 24. c4
Bxb4 25. Re6+ Bd6 26.Rd1 Rae8 {White resigns} 0-1
A game I should have lost.
16. Rad1! is absolutely crushing. c3 is completely unnecessary and gives
me the time I needed to mount a defense. Sometimes it's better to be
lucky than good.
So, needless to say, I started looking around for improvements.
Obviously, black can play it safer with 10. ... Bd6, as recommended by
Emms in "Play the Open Games as Black."
12. ... Qh7 is also a posibility, although I'm not thrilled with putting
my queen on that square. It seems fairly passive. Furthermore 13. Qd3
and now what? ... Bb4 14.c3 dc 15.bc Ba5 and it seems like the black
king will never be safe. White can try to force the issue with Nf5, when
he'll either with a rook for pieces, or a queen for three, with the
black king dangerously exposed.
But I think I found a solution in 14.... Be7!
15.Bxe7 Nxe7 16.Qxg7 0-0-0! and the open g-file gives black lots of
counterplay.
15.Bxg7 Rg8 16.Qxc7 Rxg7 will eventually cost black material because of
the lose h4 N. The position is messy and I don't know if I'd want to
play black in blitz.
15.Qxg7 0-0-0! again looks fine for black.
I welcome any thoughts about these lines, particularly any busts in case
I end up playing them again.
-Ron
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Date: 07 Apr 2006 23:49:49
From: Ken Lovering
Subject: Re: A Two Knights Defense game
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Ron,
Turn on Fritz. It appears you are playing defense for some time after 14.f4.
I didn't let it run too deep. Maybe 14-15 ply, but after:
14.f4 Be7 (the only response) 15.Ng3 Qc5 16. Bxe7 Qxe7 17. Ng6 fxg6 18.Qxg6+
Kd7 19. f5 Raf8 20. fxe6+ Kc8 21.Nf5 Qc5 22.e7 Re8.........
Fritz gives White a .77 advantage 15 ply deep.
Best regards,
Ken
"Ron" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [Event "FICS rated standard game"]
> [Site "FICS, San Jose, California USA"]
> [Date "2006.04.03"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "White"]
> [Black "Me"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [TimeControl "1800+30"]
> [Time "14:32:19"]
> [WhiteElo "1960"]
> [Mode "ICS"]
> [BlackElo "2041"]
>
>
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5
> Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qh5 9. Nxe4 Be6 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bf6 Qg6 12. Nh4 Qg4 13. Qd3
> Qh5 14. Qg3 Qa5 15. Ng6! Rg8! 16. c3? fxg6 17. Qxg6+ Kd7 18. Rad1? Qf5!
> 19. Qxf5 Bxf5 20. Bxd4 Nxd4 21. Rxd4+ Kc6 22. Ng3 Bh7 23. b4 Bd6 24. c4
> Bxb4 25. Re6+ Bd6 26.Rd1 Rae8 {White resigns} 0-1
>
> A game I should have lost.
>
> 16. Rad1! is absolutely crushing. c3 is completely unnecessary and gives
> me the time I needed to mount a defense. Sometimes it's better to be
> lucky than good.
>
> So, needless to say, I started looking around for improvements.
>
> Obviously, black can play it safer with 10. ... Bd6, as recommended by
> Emms in "Play the Open Games as Black."
>
> 12. ... Qh7 is also a posibility, although I'm not thrilled with putting
> my queen on that square. It seems fairly passive. Furthermore 13. Qd3
> and now what? ... Bb4 14.c3 dc 15.bc Ba5 and it seems like the black
> king will never be safe. White can try to force the issue with Nf5, when
> he'll either with a rook for pieces, or a queen for three, with the
> black king dangerously exposed.
>
> But I think I found a solution in 14.... Be7!
>
> 15.Bxe7 Nxe7 16.Qxg7 0-0-0! and the open g-file gives black lots of
> counterplay.
>
> 15.Bxg7 Rg8 16.Qxc7 Rxg7 will eventually cost black material because of
> the lose h4 N. The position is messy and I don't know if I'd want to
> play black in blitz.
>
> 15.Qxg7 0-0-0! again looks fine for black.
>
> I welcome any thoughts about these lines, particularly any busts in case
> I end up playing them again.
>
> -Ron
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Date: 04 Apr 2006 14:55:35
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claus-J=FCrgen_Heigl?=
Subject: Re: A Two Knights Defense game
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Ron wrote:
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5
> Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qh5 9. Nxe4 Be6 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bf6 Qg6 12. Nh4 Qg4 13. Qd3
> Qh5 14. Qg3 Qa5 15. Ng6! Rg8! 16. c3? fxg6 17. Qxg6+ Kd7 18. Rad1? Qf5!
> 19. Qxf5 Bxf5 20. Bxd4 Nxd4 21. Rxd4+ Kc6 22. Ng3 Bh7 23. b4 Bd6 24. c4
> Bxb4 25. Re6+ Bd6 26.Rd1 Rae8 {White resigns} 0-1
5...Bc5 transposes to the Max Lange attack. Some knowledge of theory is
necessary but it is not a bad choice for Black.
8...Qa5 is well known and good. 8...Qh5 isn't bad though.
> Obviously, black can play it safer with 10. ... Bd6, as recommended by
> Emms in "Play the Open Games as Black."
10...Bb4 11. Nxd4 Qxd1 12. Rexd1 Nxd4 13. Rxd4 Be7 is drawish. 10...Bb4
11. c3 dxc3 12. bxc3 Ba5 13. Qc1 0-0 14.Ng3 Qg6 15.Nh4 Qd3 16.Ne4 Kh8
17.Qf4 Bxc3 18.Rad1 Qc4 19.Nxc3 Qxc3 20.Qxc7 Rae8 favored Black in
Kamsky - Kupreichik, Palma de Mallorca 1989 (although later White won).
> 12. ... Qh7 is also a posibility, although I'm not thrilled with putting
> my queen on that square. It seems fairly passive. Furthermore 13. Qd3
> and now what? ... Bb4 14.c3 dc 15.bc Ba5 and it seems like the black
> king will never be safe. White can try to force the issue with Nf5, when
> he'll either with a rook for pieces, or a queen for three, with the
> black king dangerously exposed.
What about 15...Ba3 in this line? 16. Rab1 Rb8 17. Qg3 0-0 18. Bd8 Kh8
19. Bxc7 Rbe8 20. Bd6 (20. Rxb7? Bc8) 20...Bxa2 21. Bxf8 Bxf8 22. Nd2
Qxb1 23. Rxb1 Bxb1 24. Nhf3 Bd3 looks ok. Black has R+B+P for the queen,
the bishops pair and a passed pawn.
After 12...Qh7 13. Qh5 was played several times. 13...Kd7 14. c3 dxc3?
15. Rad1+ Kc8 16.Bxc3 Be7 17.Nc5 g6 18.Nxg6 went wrong in Sedov -
Dworakowski, but 14...d3 15. Rad1 Re8 16. Rxd3+ Kc8 17. Qb5 Rg8 looks
playable.
Other tries after 12...Qg4 13. Qd3 were a6 and Be7. Not with much success.
> But I think I found a solution in 14.... Be7!
>
> 15.Bxe7 Nxe7 16.Qxg7 0-0-0! and the open g-file gives black lots of
> counterplay.
True. Instead of 14. Qg3 White could have played 14. Nf3 with the plan
Nxd4. 14...Be7 15. Bxg7 Rg8 16. Bf6 Qg4 17. g3 doesn't offer much for
Black, 16...Nb4 17. Qa3 0-0-0 18. Bxe7 Nxc2 19. Qxa7 Qxf3 20. Bg5 Rxg5
21. Nxg5 Qc6 22. Nxe6 fxe6 23. Rad1 b6 24. Re2 Rd5 (24...d3? 25. Rxe6
Qxe6 26. Qa8+) 25. Qa6+ Kb8 26. Qd3 and Black doesn't have enough
compensation.
14. Nf3 Qa5 15. Nxd4 gxf6 (15...Nxd4 16. Qxd4 c5 17. Qe5 gxf6 18. Nxf6+
is bad for Black) 16. Nxf6+ Ke7 17. Ng4 (threat Nf5+) 17...Nxd4 18. Qxd4
Rg8 19. Qf6+ Kd6 (19...Kd7 20. Rxe6 fxe6 21. Ne5+ is crushing as is
19...Ke8 20. Rxe6+) 20. Ne5! (threat Nxf7+) 20...Kc5 21. b4+ Kxb4
(21...Qxb4 22. Nd3+) 22. Re4+ Kb5 23. Nxf7 winning looks very
interesting but requires more analysis.
Best could be 14...Qd5 15. Rad1 Ne7 (plan 0-0-0) when White can convert
to an endgame 16. Nxd4 0-0-0 17. Nxe6 Qxd3 18. Rxd3 fxe6 19. Rxd8+ Kxd8
20. Bc3 with a better position.
Claus-Juergen
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Date: 05 Apr 2006 20:40:49
From: Ron
Subject: Re: A Two Knights Defense game
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Thanks a lot for the comments, Claus. I may have some questions on some
of these lines when I've had the opportunity to play them in more detail.
I'd gotten into playing Qh5 (rather than Qa5) because I had the sense
that it was less well known. But by first reaction to looking over your
notes (in particular, 14.Nf3 seems shockingly strong - is black's
position really so poor that a simple consolidating move by white can
leave him with so little?) is that I'm going to have to scrap Qh5
combined with 10. ... h6.
I'm not opposed to the Max Lange. It just seems like a lot of theory.
-Ron
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