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Date: 12 Feb 2005 03:06:51
From: Adrian MacNair
Subject: 8.Nxe5!! or 8.Nxe5??
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[Event "Web Chess"]
[Site www.itsyourturn.com]
[Date "2005.01.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MacNair, Adrian"]
[Black "Withheld (36-0-27)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C40"]
[PlyCount "65"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4?! 5. dxe5 Nfd7
{Worse would be}
(5...dxe5 6. Qxd8+ Kxd8 7. Nxe5)
6. exd6 Bxd6 7. Bc4 Ne5 8. Nxe5
{Submit one of !? !! ! ? ?? ?! here. White sacrifices his Queen for good
attacking chances}
8...Bxd1 9. Nxf7 Qf6
{What about}
(9... Qh4 10. Nxd1 Qxe4+ 11. Ne3 Rf8 12. Nxd6+ cxd6 13. Bd2 {and black
stands a little better})
10. Bg5! Qd4 11. Nb5??
(11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. Bb5+ Nc6 13. Rxd1 {and white has strong initiative})
11...Qxc4??
{The winning move was} (11... Bb4+ {when} 12. c3 Qxc4 13. Rxd1 Kxf7 {
leaves white no compensation for the Queen at all})
12. Nbxd6+!
{all other moves are losing}
12...cxd6 13. Nxd6+ Kd7 14. Nxc4 Bxc2 15. f3 Nc6 16. Ne3
Nd4 17. Rc1 Bd3?? 18. Rd1 Ke6 19. Rxd3 Nc6 20. Kf2 Nb4 21. Rb3 Nxa2?? {
The last mistake} 22. Ra1 h6 23. Bh4 g5 24. Bg3 b6 25. Rxa2 Rhd8 26. Nd5
Rdc8
27. Nc7+ Kf7 28. Nxa8 Rc2+ 29. Ke3 Rxg2 30. Rxa7+ Kg6 31. Rxb6+ Kh5 32. Rh7
Rxb2 33. Rbxh6# 1-0
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Date: 13 Feb 2005 09:31:52
From: Few Good Chessmen
Subject: Re: 8.Nxe5!! or 8.Nxe5??
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"Adrian MacNair" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [Event "Web Chess"]
> [Site www.itsyourturn.com]
> [Date "2005.01.29"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "MacNair, Adrian"]
> [Black "Withheld (36-0-27)"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C40"]
> [PlyCount "65"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4?! 5. dxe5 Nfd7
>
> {Worse would be}
> (5...dxe5 6. Qxd8+ Kxd8 7. Nxe5)
>
> 6. exd6 Bxd6 7. Bc4 Ne5 8. Nxe5
>
> {Submit one of !? !! ! ? ?? ?! here. White sacrifices his Queen for good
> attacking chances}
If you understood the opponent playing skill well enough then it is a risk
worth considering (why not just give him the handicap in the beginning).
Personally I give it Ne5??
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Date: 13 Feb 2005 05:57:22
From: Rakshasas
Subject: Re: 8.Nxe5!! or 8.Nxe5??
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Easily ??
8. Nxe5 Bxd1
9. Nxf7 Qh4
10. Nxh8 Bxc2
11. Bf7+ Ke7
and white is already lost.
If 11. Nf7 then 11. ... Bb4 more than equalizes.
With best play white is lost. It's a ?? move.
Few Good Chessmen wrote:
> "Adrian MacNair" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>[Event "Web Chess"]
>>[Site www.itsyourturn.com]
>>[Date "2005.01.29"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "MacNair, Adrian"]
>>[Black "Withheld (36-0-27)"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "C40"]
>>[PlyCount "65"]
>>
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4?! 5. dxe5 Nfd7
>>
>>{Worse would be}
>>(5...dxe5 6. Qxd8+ Kxd8 7. Nxe5)
>>
>>6. exd6 Bxd6 7. Bc4 Ne5 8. Nxe5
>>
>>{Submit one of !? !! ! ? ?? ?! here. White sacrifices his Queen for good
>>attacking chances}
>
>
> If you understood the opponent playing skill well enough then it is a risk
> worth considering (why not just give him the handicap in the beginning).
> Personally I give it Ne5??
>
>
>
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Date: 12 Feb 2005 10:09:49
From: Ron
Subject: Re: 8.Nxe5!! or 8.Nxe5??
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Adrian MacNair" <[email protected] > wrote:
> [Event "Web Chess"]
> [Site www.itsyourturn.com]
> [Date "2005.01.29"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "MacNair, Adrian"]
> [Black "Withheld (36-0-27)"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C40"]
> [PlyCount "65"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4?! 5. dxe5 Nfd7
>
> {Worse would be}
> (5...dxe5 6. Qxd8+ Kxd8 7. Nxe5)
>
> 6. exd6 Bxd6 7. Bc4 Ne5 8. Nxe5
>
> {Submit one of !? !! ! ? ?? ?! here. White sacrifices his Queen for good
> attacking chances}
I'll go !? because black can get most his material back with 10.Nxh8.
If played without the idea of getting material back, it's ?
> 8...Bxd1 9. Nxf7 Qf6
>
> {What about}
> (9... Qh4 10. Nxd1 Qxe4+ 11. Ne3 Rf8 12. Nxd6+ cxd6 13. Bd2 {and black
> stands a little better})
Black is clearly better after this line.
> 10. Bg5! Qd4 11. Nb5??
>
> (11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. Bb5+ Nc6 13. Rxd1 {and white has strong initiative})
I also think you're overestimating white's initiative here. 13. ... Qb4
and black will soon castle, leaving him up a queen for two pieces.
> 11...Qxc4??
>
> {The winning move was} (11... Bb4+ {when} 12. c3 Qxc4 13. Rxd1 Kxf7 {
> leaves white no compensation for the Queen at all})
>
> 12. Nbxd6+!
> {all other moves are losing}
>
> 12...cxd6 13. Nxd6+ Kd7 14. Nxc4 Bxc2 15. f3 Nc6 16. Ne3
> Nd4 17. Rc1 Bd3?? 18. Rd1 Ke6 19. Rxd3 Nc6 20. Kf2 Nb4 21. Rb3 Nxa2?? {
> The last mistake} 22. Ra1 h6 23. Bh4 g5 24. Bg3 b6 25. Rxa2 Rhd8 26. Nd5
> Rdc8
> 27. Nc7+ Kf7 28. Nxa8 Rc2+ 29. Ke3 Rxg2 30. Rxa7+ Kg6 31. Rxb6+ Kh5 32. Rh7
> Rxb2 33. Rbxh6# 1-0
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Date: 12 Feb 2005 16:12:36
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: 8.Nxe5!! or 8.Nxe5??
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Hello Adrian,
In my opinion it's a interesting idea to consider but in this case the
simple 8.Be2 gives white a big advantage and this move leads to black
avantage as you indicated later.
I think that to consider it proves white has good ideas but to reject it
proves white develops good analysis skills.
I would write 8.Nxe5?!
Antonio
En/na Adrian MacNair ha escrit:
> [Event "Web Chess"]
> [Site www.itsyourturn.com]
> [Date "2005.01.29"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "MacNair, Adrian"]
> [Black "Withheld (36-0-27)"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C40"]
> [PlyCount "65"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4?! 5. dxe5 Nfd7
> 6. exd6 Bxd6 7. Bc4 Ne5 8. Nxe5
>
> {Submit one of !? !! ! ? ?? ?! here. White sacrifices his Queen for good
> attacking chances}
>
> 8...Bxd1 9. Nxf7 Qf6 10. Bg5! Qd4 11. Nb5?? Qxc4??
>
> {The winning move was} (11... Bb4+ {when} 12. c3 Qxc4 13. Rxd1 Kxf7
> {leaves white no compensation for the Queen at all})
>
> 12. Nbxd6+! cxd6 13. Nxd6+ Kd7 14. Nxc4 Bxc2 15. f3 Nc6 16. Ne3 Nd4
> 17. Rc1 Bd3?? 18. Rd1 Ke6 19. Rxd3 Nc6 20. Kf2 Nb4 21. Rb3 Nxa2??
> {The last mistake} 22. Ra1 h6 23. Bh4 g5 24. Bg3 b6 25. Rxa2 Rhd8
> 26. Nd5 Rdc8 27. Nc7+ Kf7 28. Nxa8 Rc2+ 29. Ke3 Rxg2 30. Rxa7+ Kg6
> 31. Rxb6+ Kh5 32. Rh7Rxb2 33. Rbxh6# 1-0
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