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I agreed at first sight with the reks in the other thread
where it is said that this move 2...Ne7 appears to be awful,
blocking the Bf8, how to develop, oh dear?
Put yourself into the other guy's shoes, and consider
"if I had to play Black in this position after such an
awful move, what could I try to do that would turn it
into a good move?"
From this viewpoint, nothing makes sense except that the
Ne7 should go to f5; and thus 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5
and if 4 ed5 ed5 looks playable, though it must be inferior
to 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 ed5 ed5 4 Bd3 Bd6 5 Nf3 Ne7; and
even 4 ed5 Nd5 5 c4 Nf6 is most likely playable.
1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5 4 e5 Nf5 (5 Bd3!? Nh4!?)
Therefore 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5 4 Bd3! is the
logical attempt to show that the Ne7, by failing to
touch e4, has wasted its move.
For example,
4...de4 5 Be4 Nd7 6 c3 Nf6 7 Bc2 b6 8 O-O Bb7 9 Ba4+ Bc6
10 Ne5 Ba4 11 Qa4+ Nd7 12 Re1 Ng6 13 Ng6 (13 Bg5!?)
hg6 14 d5 Bd6 15 de6
After 4 Bd3! de4 5 Be4 Nf5 is interesting.
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Date: 17 Nov 2004 22:55:18
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7
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The idea of this is to avoid the problems that come with the advance
"Freedom" defense after Nc6. The e7 knight can go to c6 after c5 and the b8
knight can go to d7.
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Date: 07 Dec 2004 06:47:12
From: Jef
Subject: Re: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 Ne7
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hello
"Ray Gordon" <[email protected] > > The idea of this is to avoid the
problems that come with the advance
> "Freedom" defense after Nc6. The e7 knight can go to c6 after c5 >and the
b8 knight can go to d7.
well yes, but if white plays 4. Nc3, then eg. a6 5. Nf3 Be7
and then 6. 0-0 white's position is better
so why should black play such moves, wich
clearly lead to an inferior position ?
(hardly any compensation, as in some gambits)
>
NB there are more moves possible than 3. Bc4 ofcourse
>
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http://www.download.com/Bookbuilder/3000-7562_4-10214325.html
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Date: 07 Nov 2004 21:47:32
From: Tony Warnock
Subject: Re: 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Ne7
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[email protected] ([email protected]) wrote in message news:<[email protected] >...
> I agreed at first sight with the reks in the other thread
> where it is said that this move 2...Ne7 appears to be awful,
> blocking the Bf8, how to develop, oh dear?
>
> Put yourself into the other guy's shoes, and consider
> "if I had to play Black in this position after such an
> awful move, what could I try to do that would turn it
> into a good move?"
>
> From this viewpoint, nothing makes sense except that the
> Ne7 should go to f5; and thus 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5
> and if 4 ed5 ed5 looks playable, though it must be inferior
> to 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 ed5 ed5 4 Bd3 Bd6 5 Nf3 Ne7; and
> even 4 ed5 Nd5 5 c4 Nf6 is most likely playable.
>
> 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5 4 e5 Nf5 (5 Bd3!? Nh4!?)
>
> Therefore 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7 3 Nf3 d5 4 Bd3! is the
> logical attempt to show that the Ne7, by failing to
> touch e4, has wasted its move.
>
> For example,
> 4...de4 5 Be4 Nd7 6 c3 Nf6 7 Bc2 b6 8 O-O Bb7 9 Ba4+ Bc6
> 10 Ne5 Ba4 11 Qa4+ Nd7 12 Re1 Ng6 13 Ng6 (13 Bg5!?)
> hg6 14 d5 Bd6 15 de6
>
> After 4 Bd3! de4 5 Be4 Nf5 is interesting.
Note that the Knight on e7 can go to c6 (after ...c5) and the Queen's
Knight can go to d7. This allows both Knights to attack White's
center.
In the given move order, White is obligated to steer the game into
channels where the Knight on e7 isn't well placed. For example, 3.e5
(while not a bad move) isn't a refutation attempt.
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[email protected] (Tony Warnock) wrote in message news:<[email protected] >...
> Note that the Knight on e7 can go to c6 (after ...c5) and the Queen's
> Knight can go to d7. This allows both Knights to attack White's
> center.
Yes, although that setup is usually only used after Nc3, for example
1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 e5 Nd7; In this case, 1 e4 e6 2 d4 Ne7
3 Nf3 d5 4 e5 c5 5 c3 becomes possible, and 5...Nd7 will require
Black to play ...f7-f6 later. That might not be bad, of course.
After 5 c3 Nd7 6 Be2 Nc6 7 O-O Qb6 8 b3, White is getting the standard
Advance Variation setup without having to play Ke1-f1. If immediately
8...f6 9 ef6 (9 Bb2 fe5 10 Ne5 Ne5 11 c4 Nc4 12 Bc4 13 Qh5 14 Qe5 Rg8
threat 14...Bg7 does not appear to be what White wants) gf6 10 Be3 Qc7
11 c4 looks good, and if not immediately ..f6, how does Black prepare
for it?
> In the given move order, White is obligated to steer the game into
> channels where the Knight on e7 isn't well placed. For example, 3.e5
> (while not a bad move) isn't a refutation attempt.
You mean 4. e5, I presume?
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